Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?



  • @Glitterati3D

    our society is pretty much like that.

    It is not a good thing. Some manners need to be taught.



  • @Glitterati3D said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    Well, I do freebies to help product lines get off the ground (like Baby Luna). And, my freebies are not only tested privately by professional testers, they are also tested by the stores which host them.

    I put as much skill into a freebie as I do a commercial product.

    For example, I don't do commercial products for Baby Luna. Her Poser rigging needs some attention and until that is repaired, I won't ask a customer to PAY for what I consider an inferior product.

    Everyone screams that a figure isn't viable without addon products. But, some of us can do addons and GIVE THEM AWAY and the users just take, take, take without ever giving back.

    I don't believe I've ever downloaded one of your freebies. But if I have, and I neglected to say thanks afterwards, then, Thank you for your freebies.

    But I can't believe that anyone who has any interaction on the internet is at all surprised that people are selfish and take freebies without thanks.

    @daveso is right: it's pretty much just how society is. It's how most of the world is. It's how humans are.

    Let's face it... For a lot of people, the internet is just a giant Freebie Zone, full of hot and cold running Free Stuff (even if it's not actually free, like music and movies and software).

    It would be nice if the entire Poser universe was truly a nice little community and governed itself respectfully and politely like a nice little community and everyone said please and thank you... some parts of it do... but "Poserdom" is much larger than the handful of people who regularly participate in forums like these.

    I'm sorry you feel slighted by the selfish people out there. That does suck. I can't imagine putting out so many commercial quality products for free, and not even being recognized for it with even a single thank you. The fact that you give out freebies that are commercial quality says to me that you take pride in your work and would rather not give away something that you would consider less than your best. Fair enough. But it is unlikely you will ever get the recognition you want from the Faceless Internet Hordes, for the freebies you so generously make.

    Anyway, I get your frustration.



  • @James_in_3D I don't feel slighted. I feel abused. That's just the truth.

    And, if anyone wants to know why vendors are leaving in droves, there it is.

    There's a handful of people who give it their all to support this software, the industry and the figures. Eventually, they reach their limit and behave just like the customers - what's in it FOR ME?

    When the answer is "nothing," they just move on to something else.


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    Vendors are leaving for a number of reasons. I don't think the attitudes on the internet have a whole lot to do with it really, but it definitely doesn't help. The attitudes aren't really any different now than they were 10 years ago, but along with them there are now many more avenues for vendors to make money and be compensated higher for their efforts, than there were 10 years ago. Compensation is always the primary driving factor behind what any vendor does, in any market.



  • @Glitterati3D said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    @James_in_3D I don't feel slighted. I feel abused. That's just the truth.

    And, if anyone wants to know why vendors are leaving in droves, there it is.

    There's a handful of people who give it their all to support this software, the industry and the figures. Eventually, they reach their limit and behave just like the customers - what's in it FOR ME?

    When the answer is "nothing," they just move on to something else.

    That's how business works, though. "What's in it for me?"

    Businesses that don't ask that question and don't seek to get something tangible in return for their product aren't doing business...that's charity.

    But customers will always ask that question, because it's what humans do. Especially if they have to pay for something. By "they" I mean "WE" because we're all someone's customer at some point, and I'm pretty sure most of us want value or performance in exchange for our hard earned cash.

    Sell your freebies...er, so to speak. :) You work hard to make them, and you have the right value them accordingly. Perhaps you are not only putting yourself in a position where you're going to be taken advantage of by the selfish freebie seekers by giving so much away, but maybe you're also undervaluing your work!



  • I bought my first Meshbox model recently, the Elf Inn, and just so you developers know, the free and paid stuff is much appreciated whether we ever get the opportunity to tell you personally. So anyhow, thank you. Poser wouldn't be much without content.



  • @James_in_3D Like I said, my last ever freebie went into testing yesterday. So, whatever the reason, I'm done.

    In fact, I have a sale starting at the end of the week and if m products do as badly as they have, I'm done with Poser.


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    Maybe the figures you're selling content for just aren't that popular. That could definitely have an impact on sales, as well as what store you sell through. I don't know what name you sell under, or even what store. so I'm not familiar with your content. Also how much self promotion do you do on social media, etc? Relying on the store to do the promotion is never a good idea (not saying that's what you're doing but a lot of vendors don't promote their own content outside of the store and ignore social media, which is virtually suicide these days). Have you tried shifting to props and environments to see if you get better results? Could be an option.



  • @AmbientShade Nah, I'm just done. Next week is my last shot.

    Then, all the negative nellies can go on complaining about how no one supports Poser anymore. They'll have a new notch in their belt.



  • Glitterati, where are your products sold?



  • @eternityblue I'm sorry, but I don't think the policy on external links has been approved. Wouldn't want to break any rules.



  • @Glitterati3D Ok. Well, I searched for your stuff on Google under Glitterati3D and I didn't find much.



  • Glitterati3D has been making content for a long time now. I know that simply because I tested some of it.

    Content for a lot of different figures as well.

    She was also on more than a few teams of people that gave freely to the community as well.



  • @shvrdavid Yeah, I wasn't doubting her credentials, just wondering about marketing. You can make a great car but if it isn't in showrooms you'll get few sales. Part of Poser's issue maybe is the scattered mess that is content distribution. I understand some of the the reasons for it, but probably more than anything the marketing of Poser stuff leaves a lot to be desired. I wouldn't know about Meshbox for example without having visited this thread and clicked meshbox's link in his sig. Sometimes we don't spend money because we don't know even where to shop.



  • @eternityblue For you, perhaps, eternityblue. But, clearly, the downloaders of all those freebies had no trouble finding the store they were in.

    After all, they HAD to go to the store, register and "purchase" the freebies..........



  • @Glitterati3D said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    For example, I don't do commercial products for Baby Luna. Her Poser rigging needs some attention and until that is repaired, I won't ask a customer to PAY for what I consider an inferior product.

    Perhaps you can email me with the areas that you feel are inferior with the rigging. I'd like to know. We've created a solid product with Baby Luna and the rigging by Paul and the maps by Virtual World are unsurpassed by any other baby in this market. I'd like to know if these short coming, then we can address them, so that others can share positively about this product, and you in turn can feel better about the many products you've created for her.



  • @eternityblue I am glad you like it! Elven Village Inn of Elven Village Volume 1 has been a very popular one (8 models per volume, 3 volumes released) for us, and motivated us to introduce the other 'village' series.



  • @eternityblue said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?: I wouldn't know about Meshbox for example without having visited this thread and clicked meshbox's link in his sig. Sometimes we don't spend money because we don't know even where to shop.

    I am a 'she' but i am not the only one at Meshbox :-)

    I think that is s legitimate concern. What I have noticed is that the downside to big brokerages is that they've eaten up everyone's attention and, slowly pinched off any support for independents - this results in the inability of the indies to grow much. That's not something I have seen with the Poser team so much because they have always been focused more on the software - whereas DAZ makes software which is the delivery system for content that they sell.

    I promote my products on Facebook, Twitter, Google Plus, our own websites and through direct marketing. Also, I set up Content Creator's Guild a few years ago to act as a sort of indie place for vendors to promote, but very, very few bothered, and nobody helps out either. Instead, many rely solely on the marketing that big brokerages do (and for which they extract a significant percentage), and that only goes to serve the brokerage, and not the vendor. If you are indie, you have to do the work. If you are exclusive only, you are a supplier and give away such a large percentage to the brokerage that you can't grow up much larger than they allow you.

    One venue I am exploring now also is OneRender. Right now, there isn't a third party content store, but the concept is interesting and useful, it produces nice output, and there's a possibility that it could be a third party platform, too.



  • @meshbox said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    @eternityblue I am glad you like it! Elven Village Inn of Elven Village Volume 1 has been a very popular one (8 models per volume, 3 volumes released) for us, and motivated us to introduce the other 'village' series.

    Yeah, I would like to give you feedback, what I really like: that there is a continuity between all the different models in the series, I know where I'm getting my Hobbit stuff from definitely, and I really appreciate the interiors, lots of models are out there with exteriors but far fewer that give you a whole group of staging options. I really like that. If I could give what I don't like: some textures don't appear correctly in Preview renders, which I pretty much rely on. There is one at the base of one of the balconies that is just jacked, it looks fine in Firefly though. I just put greenery in front so it isn't a huge deal, and I'll work around anything more I find, but regarding marketing, I think you at meshbox do a good job, I'll be buying more models in the near future. I wish my budget was bigger so I could get sets at a time, alas I will be buying ala carte.



  • @eternityblue said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    @shvrdavid Yeah, I wasn't doubting her credentials, just wondering about marketing. You can make a great car but if it isn't in showrooms you'll get few sales. Part of Poser's issue maybe is the scattered mess that is content distribution. I understand some of the the reasons for it, but probably more than anything the marketing of Poser stuff leaves a lot to be desired. I wouldn't know about Meshbox for example without having visited this thread and clicked meshbox's link in his sig. Sometimes we don't spend money because we don't know even where to shop.

    this is for sure. I have been using Poser since V1 ... I knew of a few places to buy and get free stuff.... but I also know there are a ton of other places I've never heard of and tons of vendors as well. Once RDNA folded, some of those came into light.

    There still needs to be one huge clearinghouse sort of place that shows all things Poser. Even Smith Micro would be better off listing all of them. It is in SM and our best interest if they want to keep Poser going for much longer.

    Somehow gather all the creators of POSER content together and get marketing their wares. Also without the fees and stuff that stop people from getting involved as far as marketing goes.