Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?



  • @AmbientShade That's really not necessarily true. Judicious use of the Poser Morph tool allows one to "correct" morph issue pretty extensively. This image shows what I am referring to. This is an outfit created and rigged for Dawn, then morphed to a "tiny" Dawn named Diva created by Pendraia. I used the morph brush to smooth the resulting crushing in the fit. Even extreme morphs are easier to deal with using Poser's additional tools.

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    @Glitterati3D Yes, it's much easier to fit clothing to your chosen character morph now than it ever used to be. The point I was making is that if you make a custom character morph for Dawn, then that morph should work "out of the box" with all (or at least most) of Dawn's existing clothing when you apply the new shape to her. At most you may need to go up to the figure menu and press the transfer morphs button for the clothing. Beyond that, and you are asking customers to do work that free software already does for them.


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    I should clarify though, that it is possible to rig a figure in poser so that its clothing functions (mostly) this way, but there are currently no figures that take advantage of it, and the results are still limiting.



  • I would love to see something where all Poser vendors could place their stuff for 'window shopping' and then just link to whatever store the content creators are comfortable with. I don't see why this would need to be very complicated. A shopping mall is filled with different stores but you just have to go to that one place. Even a dumb photo gallery app that allows multiple users and hyperlinks would suffice.



  • @eternityblue said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    I would love to see something where all Poser vendors could place their stuff for 'window shopping' and then just link to whatever store the content creators are comfortable with. I don't see why this would need to be very complicated. A shopping mall is filled with different stores but you just have to go to that one place. Even a dumb photo gallery app that allows multiple users and hyperlinks would suffice.

    Oh, I would love to see something like this! As long as it was Poser only and we could categorize by figure/prop/etc. Something so that a customer looking for something for Roxie, for instance, could pull up that site, search for Roxie and see the items available at different stores for Roxie - then follow a link to my Roxie product.

    As a vendor, I would be willing to pay a "submission fee" to be included in such a catalog to defray the cost of maintaining such a web site.


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    Funny : History has the habit of repeating itself. :-)

    Renderosity "had" such a search engine. LOL.

    :-) Some "clown" found it "nice" to dump it. :-)



  • @vilters Not what we were talking about - that Renderosity search was only for Renderosity. This would be more on a "shopping mall" concept where you can search internet WIDE for a specific item and then sent to the store where that item is available.



  • @Glitterati3D I really don't think it is hard at all to make. I had a website and my hosting service gave me lots of free PHP scripts, definitely a free PHP gallery on a cheap server with a guy that cares to admin it (it would not be hard or much work) is possible, just someone needs to actually do it. I'm disabled and not reliable at all so I can't volunteer, but it would be cheap. A small fee into the kitty from each vendor would be more than enough to cover it. It would be a very simple page, and as long as the only ones posting to it are vendors, I don't see it being very much to get online. Add the public commenting in forums and overhead and then it would be a bigger job. I think you all just need a parking lot with minimal frills, but with the ability to really showcase items.



  • @eternityblue Nah, no forums. Just the parking lot with product billboards and links. Let me submit ONE promo image (all the same size), classify from dropdown lists and add a link to the product. Done. Simple. Effective.



  • Hello All (no drama intended here). Given that Poser's tools are becoming ever more powerful in the content generation and fitting areas, is it really possible going forward that figure synergy across the spectrum is achievable or sustainable? For example, some folks have "issues" with Paulene regarding her aesthetic. Pull her into ZBrush and work some magic. Adjust her rig back in Poser Pro and send her periodically back to ZBrush (or use the Poser morph brush) and create a slew of JCMs. Bham! Paulene looks and works the way one wants her to for their particular needs/desires. That particular version of Paulene is not guaranteed to work with all other Paulene variants, present or future. Now creating clothing and fits for that specific Paulene variant isn't hard at all, especially for the person who created the variant. But there's really no way, to the best of my knowledge, to make those products suited for the specific Paulene to work out of the box with all other Paulenes. So if a customer goes to site X and buys that variant, is it a reasonable expectation that it should work with all (most) Paulene variants? If so, then how is that even possible given the unlimited possibilities and potential using Poser's powerful tools? Personally, I'm a huge fan of Poser 11 Pro and the potential of Paulene. But what I create for my Paulene will work for my specific variant and the base Paulene shipped with the software. I don't know how to guarantee she'll work with anyone else's Paulene variant without them having to resort to at least minimal morph brushing.



  • @smurfstalker I'm not sure exactly why that matters? Is it that we're all just used to injecting morphs to get the characters we want? I see loading a "new" Pauline as a plus over injecting 600 morph files to get what I want and then having to spin all those dials.

    I think there's a market for CR2 Paulines the customer can purchase as long as they understand that it's a different delivery method.

    As for supporting items, make them yourself (bigger market for you!) or team up with clothing vendors to have them made for "your" Pauline. (Bigger market for vendors, too.)

    Nothing wrong with shaking up the delivery method for figure creation.



  • @AmbientShade I really think you are misunderstanding something. Let's take Genesis 3 as an example.

    I buy a dress for Genesis 3. Then I buy a morph that is a heavy set morph for Genesis 3. If that is a custom morph, then the original clothing does not fit the morphed figure.

    In order for morphing to fit any and all shapes, one would have to load all those shapes into the original figure - even ones that don't exist yet.

    That's why you see lists like this on clothing models
    Supported Shapes:
    Arabella 7
    Bethany 7
    Eva 7
    Gia 7
    Izabella 7
    Karen 7
    Mei Lin 7
    Olympia 7
    Teen Josie 7
    The Girl 7
    Victoria 7

    Using any other custom XXXX 7 morph is not going to fit without some effort on the user's part.



  • @Glitterati3D Actually, while I don't know if it's still working or not, I think there is something like that, sorta. I just don't know if you can add to it or not. But someone whose name escapes me right now,( sorry having a brain fart) created a database or search engine or whatsis, called Whatever3d. com. I used to use that thing all the time to look for stuff i needed..

    I think the guy who set it up is going by the name Dodger now.



  • @eclark1849 said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:
    This doesn't encompass any of the smaller brokerages - YURDigital, Dana-Anderson, FantasiesRealm and no independent vendors like Meshbox

    Just the bigs.



  • Actually, YUR digital is listed. There are sites listed that i didn't even know existed, so I can forgive him not having them all. He even has Trekkiegrrl's freebies, but as far as I can tell, he doesn't have Kozubro's site up either. or Xurge, if thatstill running. Maybe he can add them .



  • @Glitterati3D Thanks for the reply :) Why it matters to me is I have a concern about potential market perception. If a customer buys "my Paulenes" and expect it to work with "all Paulenes" then that's just not possible. Oh well. I'm just going to operate on the philosophy of 'build it and they will come', especially since it's already built. That darn proof usually does reside in the dang pudding, lol.


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    Tja. . . Here the Poser11Pro have the "Copy Morphs from" tool, that the Poser11 users do not have.

    They can however re-create any figure morph into clothing using the Morphs brush to make a "Custom Morph fit ".

    There are always ways to make something fit.
    And as a last resort? => Take the original obj file into Blender and make it fit.

    REMARK : Use the original obj file. NEVER reuse ANY obj exported from Poser or you will end up with issues at the vertex-groups welds.


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    @Glitterati3D said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    @AmbientShade I really think you are misunderstanding something. Let's take Genesis 3 as an example.

    I buy a dress for Genesis 3. Then I buy a morph that is a heavy set morph for Genesis 3. If that is a custom morph, then the original clothing does not fit the morphed figure.

    In order for morphing to fit any and all shapes, one would have to load all those shapes into the original figure - even ones that don't exist yet.

    That's why you see lists like this on clothing models
    Supported Shapes:
    Arabella 7
    Bethany 7
    Eva 7
    Gia 7
    Izabella 7
    Karen 7
    Mei Lin 7
    Olympia 7
    Teen Josie 7
    The Girl 7
    Victoria 7

    Using any other custom XXXX 7 morph is not going to fit without some effort on the user's part.

    @Glitterati3D I don't have characters for genesis 3 but I do have characters for genesis 2, and all the legacy shapes for it (that is, generation 4 and 5 shapes). To test this, I just rigged a t-shirt for the base G2M that I had in zbrush. It also happens that my gen 4 legacy shapes were not installed, (I'm guessing due to the last re-install I did some months ago), which helped with my test as the morphs weren't present for the transfer utility to put them in the shirt at the time of rigging. So I rigged the shirt for G2M first, then saved it to the library. Then I installed the legacy shapes, loaded a new scene and a new G2M, then added the t-shirt to him and all the legacy shapes work on the shirt without my having to transfer any morphs to it. Now I'm not saying that this would be as simple with more complex clothing - it is after all just a t-shirt, but it demonstrates the point. I'll try it again on a more complex piece, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work nearly the same. The entire process also took all of about 10 minutes, and that included finding where the shirt was saved to the library.



  • @Glitterati3D said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:

    @eclark1849 said in Why does nobody in Poserland want my money?:
    This doesn't encompass any of the smaller brokerages - YURDigital, Dana-Anderson, FantasiesRealm and no independent vendors like Meshbox

    Just the bigs.

    Therein likes the problem with a centralized database that is run by a company, suddenly the db owner becomes Dark Lord (Darth Googlus). I don't think that's Sean's way of thinking with his search engine.

    I have set up a directory to which users can submit tools, studios, brokerages, etc here - http://contentcreatorsguild.com/directory

    There is a section for free characters: http://contentcreatorsguild.com/directory/content/free-content/free-poser-and-daz-studio-characters

    If anyone would like to help populate this, then contact me and we can talk. I add new stuff now and then when I have free time.



  • I bought a really nice set of Meshbox Halfling models from mirye's site, later I did a Google search and found if I had bought from Meshbox directly, I would have saved $10. Only thing is I wasn't aware I could get them directly. I was happy with the models @ $50, but knowing I could have gotten them directly for less did give me a funny, not so pleasant taste in my mouth.