How large is the poser worldspace?

  • "BTW, there may well be a limit on yon settings for a camera. Entering a number above that limit will simply give the maximum. IF that is the case, option 3 will show it up. I'm not sure that such a limit exists, though. The manual gives no indication of a maximum limit.

    I think I'm just hitting a maximum on the Camera Yon of 100000 PN or 860000 Feet as I can change the maximum to above that, save and reload the scene and it has reset to 100000 / 860000 again. As to camera, I have changed the one I am using to render (Auxillary). But has same effect with both main & auxillary, have not tested others. Also baffles me as to why just in firefly, and only on rendering. Preview dispay (already mentioned render) is fine also.

    Oh well.

    Thanks to everyone for all the sugguestions.

  • Hmmm... if you select the background (in the material room) and go to the properties tab and untick 'visible', does it go away? I've never tried that, but it might work.

  • 860,000ft is the set limit in the camera parameters tab. It can be changed. Mine's 26,212,802cm (laughs), which is 860,000ft. I just changed the main camera in Poser Pro 2014 to 50,000,000cm, would it up to 49,000,000 and it didn't complain. I haven't tried saving and reloading, though. So, maybe try going into the parameter settings triangle for yon and boosting it?

  • Yes I've changed to above the set maximum in the parameters settings window , no change. Is what I mentioned is resetting on a save/reload.

    Also never knew posers background had a visibility (thanks for that) but it didn't help either, background shows through in firefly render if it is checked to be visible or unchecked.

  • OK, last offering, if using IDL, try turning off 'visible in raytracing' in the background parameters. Maybe even turn them all off, seeing as you don't want it. Not sure it will do anything, but it might given that you can colour it and have that change in the render.
    Oh, and what does the vendor say in the 'read me'? Anything on render settings? Sometimes they do.

  • :) Thanks tried that, to no effect. lol. I've also tried removing backfacing polys, turned poly smoothing on/off, etc. No luck. It's ok, as I've just rescaled everything and moved the camera to fix the problem. Just thought it unusual, as this is the first time I've ever encountered it.

  • It looks like a hard-coded limit on the camera yon. If you increase the limit, it's preserved in the saved file, but upon reloading it's put back to 860000.062500 feet maximum. It also reasserts the 'Force limits' checkbox. Whether this is a bug, or a deliberate feature to stop Firefly losing its tiny mind I couldn't say.

    Poser may not be the ideal solution for rendering the depths of infinite space. :)

    (Edit: 860000.062500 feet is 100000 PNU, which sounds like an arbitrary figure to me...)

  • "It looks like a hard-coded limit on the camera yon"

    Thats what I was thinking. Just seems strange that it only affects firefly. Then again, preview, firefly and superfly are all different rendering engines.

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    I knew about this limit but didn't recall the actual value, and it may be different from one version of Poser to another. Tom (Dreamlandmodels) ran into it when he was creating a dome around his entire "town" with a river passing through. But when we were testing the limit was much lower. If I recall correctly, he settled on a dome only 2 "miles" across.

    As to why it's there at all, nobody knows, as it isn't even mentioned in the manual. The notion that it isn't worth drawing a human that is 15 miles away is valid, but doesn't apply to things like mountain ranges or sky domes.

    As to why it's not in SuperFly, that's easy. Because SuperFly wasn't written 15 years ago by a guy who just wanted to play virtual Barbie.

  • I got the same results in Poser 6 and Poser 7, for what it's worth. I can't run Poser 4 any more without invoking XP mode, and I don't have it installed on this machine.