Where could I find (or how could I make) simplified male/female figures?



  • Here's an example of something I'd like to render/animate in 3D, using Poser and possibly Maya or 3ds Max. The body doesn't have to move at all; the action is in what's happening inside.

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  • Ah, @ghostship, I've found it. Looks like in the Poser Originals folder, the Poser 4 Lo has figures without the extra stuff in the head. They're pretty ugly, though. Maybe I can live with that, but would like to keep trying to find something both simple and more attractive if possible.

    In the meantime, though, this will help me work out some of the other problems. Thanks for saving me a bunch of time!


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    Let me show you an important trick. This works with FireFly or SuperFly.

    Take any figure, such as James Casual here. James has a ticking clock inside and a weird turbulent blob in his lower abdomen. (Well it will look that way when we render.) He has inner parts in his head. He has hands but no arms inside his sleeves. These things create problems with see-through materials ... unless we do one little trick.

    On the figure as a whole, turn off "Visible in Raytracing" in the Properties tab.

    0_1493200711941_upload-432fee3b-f214-45ec-944a-556b2d273a1a


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    Now set all the figure's materials using a glass shader involving a proper Fresnel blended Reflect and Refract.

    Or - as I've done here, something a bit more complicated.

    0_1493200809510_upload-50f3bc8c-b20c-458e-99db-f2e5a607568f

    The material doesn't matter so much but just make sure the see-through part is using Refract with a low IOR.


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    Now I render in FireFly and this is what I get.

    0_1493200912847_upload-f22d9db1-90ad-4776-ad48-fab816062b68

    Notice how all the figure parts that are behind the front-most surface just disappear!! This is because the figure is visible to the camera, but invisible to its own ray traces, so you can't see any parts of the figure through the Refraction node.

    I suggest you use FireFly here as extreme realism is not important for illustrations like this and FireFly is faster and actually more capable of special effects than SuperFly.


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    Here's another variation.

    0_1493201191461_upload-17dce204-2180-4c22-8001-b76696afa582


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    You can edge-ghost the figure in any color, even black or dark gray.

    0_1493201332179_upload-192380c2-a3d3-4588-abc5-1681b7ba812a


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    In this shader the figure edges glow green and with the Refract IOR set to 1.00, there is no bending of light at all.

    0_1493201495258_upload-f087435b-a5cb-498e-93ee-114dc277b3e9

    This is a traditional "ghost" shader in Poser. I say traditional because there was a long thread about this from 10 years ago at RuntimeDNA but the whole site got deleted. Too bad because I had already answered 90% of all Poser questions there.


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    I bet you're going to ask how I did that blobby red thing inside.

    It's just a "Capsule" shape with this shader:

    0_1493201763435_upload-fc69d4c3-cc71-4c5e-be7a-4388a6fdc3f4

    Please note well that Poser displays parameters like displacement using your configurable Poser Display Unit, or PDU. My PDU is set to inches, but this is not the default value. Go into General Preferences and take note of and/or change your PDU. If you're NOT using PDU = inches, then you need to do math conversion from my displacement or bump units to your units. For example, my 1 inch in feet is 1/12 or .083333 feet.

    If your PDU is set to Poser Native Units (PNU) then the conversion of my values is you divide by 103.2.

    0_1493202055807_upload-b48f638b-4579-419d-8ccb-31c62c156eb3


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    One more effect - this time it's almost a cartoon outline. Also I opened James' mouth to demonstrate that the mouth inner parts are still there and will be drawn if you open the mouth.

    0_1493203484896_upload-670feea5-0dcb-4ce0-8f61-5f6101e67d52



  • Thank you so much @bagginsbill !! This gives me hope. I'm working on setting up things as you've described. Will check back to report on progress.

    Two questions:

    1. How to apply a shader to all the figure's materials in one fell swoop?

    2. Can you suggest a good tutorial on how to make "a glass shader involving a proper Fresnel blended Reflect and Refract"?



  • Skip the first question. Found the answer: Select all shaders, right-click, Apply to All. Ta-da!


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    @joeshirley said in Where could I find (or how could I make) simplified male/female figures?:

    1. Can you suggest a good tutorial on how to make "a glass shader involving a proper Fresnel blended Reflect and Refract"?

    Uh - all the shader screen shots above are doing that.



  • @bagginsbill Yes, of course. I thought since you had said you were doing something "a bit more complicated," I'd try to get the basics down first. For example, I came across a link to your The-Fresnel-Effect-Glass-Paint-Plastic-and-Metal tutorial in the runtimedna.com forum that's gone now. The first few posts in that thread were archived at the WayBack Machine, so that was intriguing. You mentioned a shader pack of metals you were putting together. Do you sell shader packs?

    (And by the way, I can't for the life of me figure out how to save a shader configuration.)


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    The shader I showed included the ghosting effect since I anticipated you'd want that instead of just plain glass.

    If you only want plain glass then start with the first one and just wire the FresnelBlend Inner_Color to the Refract node, skipping the Blender with Diffuse. Then it's just a simple, clear glass.



  • Cool, thanks!

    Gotta say, my brain is kind of exploding with all the options... Just getting into this, really don't know what I'm doing...


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    Well I just watched many tutorials and not one shows how to save a material. Nor does the Poser manual. It shows saving other things but not a material.

    0_1493232499600_upload-b7b8bfa9-2458-4ba3-b011-59452f51888f

    While you're in the material room with the library open, click the icon for materials.
    Select a folder in the folder tree.
    If you want a new folder first, click the bottom first icon to make a New Folder.
    Then with the right folder highlighted, click the bottom + icon to save the material. You get prompted for a name and some options.

    If you're using a name that already exists, you have to do an extra confirmation step.



  • Yes! Beautiful, thanks!!



  • OK, I've been poking around a little bit, and getting somewhere thanks to your help, @bagginsbill. One thing I will need to do is to have light-emitting objects inside of a body, and to have that show through the transparency of the figure's surface. I've just taken a shot at a simple approach of placing a point light inside my character's chest. Below is what I got. The light shows when it scatters off the front-facing surface areas of the figure and the box behind, (see particularly the inside of the arms), but does not show any emission through the chest at all. I'm guessing this might have to do with turning off "Visible in Raytracing." Am I right?

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    Whatever the cause, is it possible for me to create a figure with an illumination located inside the figure, glowing outward?