Mac OS X High Sierra

  • @david_macrae thanks, after lots of research to work out how to reformat external media to APFS while still booted in maOS Sierra, I discovered that a High Sierra installer cannot be created on APFS formatted media! The Installer Disk Creator utility fails without explanation, just an error that it could not complete the installation. The terminal version of running createInstallMedia (which is what the utility does under the hood) at least shows the error: "APFS disks may not be used as bootable install media", so I had to backtrack and reformat the thumb drive as HFS+ (Journaled). Then createInstallMedia completed without error.

    The next struggle was that my iMac pre-dates USB3 and thus can't boot from any of the drives attached to my Thunderbolt to USB3 adaptor. So I had to plug the thumb drive into a rear USB2 port before it was visible as a bootable drive! So, I now have High Sierra bootable from an external Firewire800 drive. I still haven't had a chance to play with Poser in that configuration, yet, as running Poser 11 from the other boot disk didn't include it's existing registration info, as I'd done a clean install. Of course, having been dual booting into Windows 10, I'd also used up all my Poser activations, so I couldn't just register the old copy and run it, GRRR.

    Have to try and work out how to unregister a previous install so I can register a new one...

    @RobZhena that's been in the offing for so long. Losing the ability to run old apps when Rosetta was canned. Arbitrarily limiting what versions of Windows will install under BootCamp on Macs that are more than capable of supporting higher. Apple deliberately firmware throttling their SATA chipsets from SATA II speeds to support the PATA Optical Drives in MacBookPro models.

  • I did it yesterday. No issues at all, everything so far works just fine...However

    My Poser library through the Library Panel is unsorted. It doesn't appear to have any reason to the order of items, either. It appears completely random.

    This is a pita, as I find myself searching line by line through my library for basic items.

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    The functions that iterate over files used to iterate over them in lexicographic order. This was a coincidence that the Poser developers relied on but should not have. There was no contract obligating the operating system to return file listings in sorted order.

    APFS doesn't do that - oops.

  • @ctrl-shift said in Mac OS X High Sierra:

    I did it yesterday. No issues at all, everything so far works just fine...However

    My Poser library through the Library Panel is unsorted. It doesn't appear to have any reason to the order of items, either. It appears completely random.

    This is a pita, as I find myself searching line by line through my library for basic items.

    Woah, Nelly! Thank you for that information. That is a show-stopper right there!

  • WOW, I have to amend my above statement. I just opened poser again and did realize that my folders are now in random order?!?

    I really hope this is fixed soon. Has anyone filed a bug report?

    I guess temporarily I will have to use an extra external drive formatted with HFS+ for my library.

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    There is a setting in Poser.ini called LIB_ITEMS_SERVER_SORT
    Could you try and set it to 1 and see of the problem is still there?
    I do not know where Poser.ini is located on the Mac, but on Windows it is in \users\yourname\AppData\Roaming\Poser Pro\11

    The unsorted list in the library also happens also on runtimes located on network drives. This setting was introduced to fix that.

  • @wimvdb


    lives in the file "~/Library/Application Support/Poser Pro/11/Poser Prefs" on macOS.

    I will give this a try when next I boot into High Sierra (on plain Sierra ATM).

  • YES!! haha that worked. Thanks @wimvdb

    And just to save a little extra time for others it is on line #139 in my poser prefs file, and @anomalaus has the correct path.

    I emailed support and they said they new about it and were working on a fix. I guess I should email them back and tell them.

  • @david_macrae excellent! I just realised when I booted in High Sierra that I was doing so from an external Firewire Hard Drive and the High Sierra installer currently restricts APFS installations to SSD, so I don't actually have an APFS volume to test the library sorting on. I set the flag in Poser Prefs anyway, just to be prepared for when I finally trust APFS and High Sierra enough to upgrade my SSD.

  • @wimvdb Yes! That fixed the problem. Thanks!

  • I cannot find these files in any of mu libraries. Are they invisible ones that I need to use Terminal to render visible? Do they only appear AFTER I install High Sierra? Cheers.

  • From the Finder, pull down the “Go” menu and choose “Home”, or otherwise navigate to the the Home directory
    (the Home directory will be your short user name, where Downloads, Desktop, Public, Music, Pictures, etc folders are stored)
    Pull down the “View” menu and choose “Show View Options”
    Near the bottom of the View Options settings list, check the box for “Show Library Folder”

    The change is instantaneous and the Library directory will immediately become visible in the home folder, appearing as any other directory alongside the standard user Downloads, Documents, Pictures, Music, Movies, etc folders.

  • @RobZhena Just hold the alt key down and open up the Go menu. The alt key will toggle Libraries in the Go menu on/off.

  • Thank you for the help. I had no idea!

  • Hi,

    I'm running poser 11 Pro on a mac.

    Just wondering if anyone here might know if aliases are working OK with High Sierra and Poser.

    Am scared to update unless they are as I use them a lot for my favourites.



  • @LostAlien I'm not familiar with a poser alias feature. Are you referring to the Mac file links? I don't see any reason why these wouldn't work, but have not specifically tested these.

  • @ctrl-shift

    Hi, You know the favourites tab - These are all shortcuts that you can create using poser or you can edit and create folders manually and copy and paste shortcuts.

    It allows you to organise the poser files as you need, rather than how they automatically install as this was never really standardised and has evolved into a bit of a mess really.

    So every time I install something new, I make sure that I find where the components were actually installed and then put it where I need it in my favourites.

    That way I can find them.

    But these are all shortcut as they are very small and link to the actual files. So if an update happens, the links are all still ok.

    On mac, they call links an alias.

    So I was wondering if this is all working happily in High Sierra because I have over 21,000 aliases and don't want to have to rebuild them all again as it took a lot of effort in the first place - But now it's done, it is easy to maintain.

    I hope it works, but am too scared to update until I am sure.


  • @LostAlien I will have to reboot to my test High Sierra drive, but I don't remember seeing a problem with that when I ran Poser from it's original installation location on the macOS Sierra boot drive after booting in High Sierra. Of course, Finder never had any problems with Aliases vs Unix style soft links, as Aliases were a Finder feature. I still encounter problems in Terminal navigating Folder Aliases and had to resort to AppleScript utilities to translate the aliases into their actual destination folder paths so shell scripts can navigate folder hierarchies containing Finder Aliases.

  • @LostAlien I'm posting this while booted in High Sierra. Poser Pro 11 is running from it's installation on the macOS Sierra drive (which I haven't taken the risk of upgrading yet) I can see no problems with the Favourites aliases. They appear to be identical to what I was just looking at while booted in Sierra.

    After all is said and done, High Sierra is still Unix under the hood. The Finder is still the UI File manager and none of it's Sierra features seem to have been disabled, so far.

    I haven't dabbled in APFS formatted drives, yet, as the High Sierra installers only support its use on SSD media, so far. The spare drive I had on hand (that I was prepared to toast in the attempt) was Firewire spindle media, so the High Sierra installer wouldn't let me format it as APFS and then install itself, so I had to leave it as HFS journaled, case-insensitive.

    When I can scrape together enough cash for a larger SSD (and self installation kit) for my iMac I may clone the smaller onto the larger and let High Sierra do an in place upgrade and APFS reformat on the new drive, knowing I have the old one to fall back on. I've allowed enough automatic upgrades to deny me the use of mission critical applications and tools that Apple (and now Mozilla) have burnt out my trust.