How would you Promote Poser?


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    @Deecey said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    That is true, but one of the reasons I still keep the OBJ file in the Geometries folder is to keep it safe from being overwritten "by accident" when exporting from Poser. 8-)

    That is why I always keep a *.blend file from my obj files.
    To recover the original if that "overwriting accident" happens. LOL.



  • @vilters said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @Deecey said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    That is true, but one of the reasons I still keep the OBJ file in the Geometries folder is to keep it safe from being overwritten "by accident" when exporting from Poser. 8-)

    That is why I always keep a *.blend file from my obj files.
    To recover the original if that "overwriting accident" happens. LOL.

    Most of us don't use Blender vilters, which is why a lot of us prefer the .obj in a separate Geometries folder. Functionally, you are doing the exact same thing.



  • @Glitterati3D said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @morkonan That's crazy, though. You're asking a company to interfere in another's company's livelihood and not only is that silly in THIS market (from a company that exerts no quality control over it's own store) but in any market.

    A comparison would be Microsoft exerting control over Nvidia because their cards go inside a MS based operating system.

    Or, a more appropriate comparison would be Microsoft changing its operating system to no longer support Nvidia because Nvidia and Microsoft couldn't agree on certain terms.

    Or, perhaps, a company decides that it will change its standards so that a rival company's product is no longer supported.

    In extremis, SM could, if they wished, lock out all content for Poser, tell anyone who wanted to make Poser-compatible products that they would have to buy a developer license, and that would be that, no matter how many other businesses rely on selling Poser products. That would be suicide, of course.

    Companies "interfere in another company's lifelihood" all the time, every day, every hour. No companies in an open and competitive market are free of being impacted by the actions of another company, so long as those actions are "legal."

    Smart companies, however, also help other companies and partner, formally or not, in order to improve products and services so that both benefit. This is what I am suggesting that SM can do, both with current content producers and with online retailers of Poser-compatible products.

    If you don't think that Microsoft and Nvidia talk to each other and neither bother with negotiating with the other over new operating system standards... Seriously? This sort of cooperative effort to improve product and service quality is commonplace among businesses that have complimentary products. It's rampant. It's simply "good business" sense. And, when such companies come to an impasse? Then the effort is no longer "cooperative."

    "Content" is the market-defining segment of the Operating System of 3D Hobbyists.

    Poser is "Netscape" that has a dominant market share.

    Microsoft is DAZ3D.

    And, without further action, history takes over. Simple, easy to understand, it's already happening and it's a primary subject of conversation, just like Netscape's last box on the shelf...


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    @morkonan Yep, the market usually clean itself. What is outdated, not user friendly , bad quality,etc disappear sooner or later. When your reputation is down, to get it back is almost impossible.
    I just watch Firefox's slowly dying . Will go the same way like Netscape. (And I use over 1 year ago only Firefox btw. Now not anymore).And this happens to all companies who miss the wind of change.



  • @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @morkonan Yep, the market usually clean itself. What is outdated, not user friendly , bad quality,etc disappear sooner or later. When your reputation is down, to get it back is almost impossible.
    I just watch Firefox's slowly dying . Will go the same way like Netscape. (And I use over 1 year ago only Firefox btw. Now not anymore).And this happens to all companies who miss the wind of change.

    I call it being lazy or being "fat, dumb, and happy." :)

    I call the opposite business attitude of that being "hungry." Successful businesses stay "hungry."

    Firefox isn't dying, really. It's simply experiencing "growing pains" in an increasingly competitive market. The latest iterations are a stumbling block it has to overcome in order to pursue new technological developments and to gain a foothold in what it perceives is the most advantageous market/tech.

    In a month or so, the newer iteration should be out and plugin creators should be able to catch up. In a few more months, Firefox "should" be back on top, relatively speaking.

    It's worth noting that Firefox's market is largely becoming more computer and net savvy. This opens up the opportunity for adventurous users to explore more esoteric or little-used browsers and is a boon to those creators.

    In short: Firefox lured people away from the "Explorer Comfort Zone" and snapped up the Netscape customer base. What result did that have? It burst the market wide-open for competing browsers.

    This sort of thing happens all of the time. Coca-Cola created its own competition by opening up a market for soda manufacturers by successfully creating a drink that people demanded in large quantities. "New Markets" that are stable will always "mature" in a competitive market system.



  • Hi all. Can someone share about about poser 2018.. Any update so far?



  • @momogun Probably won't hear anything about that until it's almost time for release. And I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that it will NOT be called Poser 2018, but more likely Poser 12.



  • @morkonan said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    In short: Firefox lured people away from the "Explorer Comfort Zone" and snapped up the Netscape customer base. What result did that have? It burst the market wide-open for competing browsers.

    This sort of thing happens all of the time. Coca-Cola created its own competition by opening up a market for soda manufacturers by successfully creating a drink that people demanded in large quantities. "New Markets" that are stable will always "mature" in a competitive market system.

    Umm, you guys DO know that Firefox is made by Mozilla, the same company that made Netscape in the first place, right?



  • @eclark1849 said in How would you Promote Poser?:..

    Umm, you guys DO know that Firefox is made by Mozilla, the same company that made Netscape in the first place, right?

    Absolutely. But, it's a different product and an entirely different business model. The "browser wars" were also a different environment. Netscape "lost" and Explorer won. At least, for a time. "Firefox" offered that "certain something" that Explorer couldn't match... One huge draw was not only performance, but it "wasn't Micro$oft." :)


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    By promoting what can be done using the Poser tools.

    Here a quick 5 samples PhysicalSurface ColorRamp test to "texture" dynamic hair.
    0_1509367702370_ColorRamp.jpg
    (I rarely do full quality renders as not required for test purposes.)
    => Ps: Everything you see is using the PhysicalSurface. Figures made in Blender, rigged in Poser, textured in Krita +procedurals.

    Extra free tip on dynamic hair :
    => You can "comb" dynamic hairs using magnets and spawning morph targets. :-)
    So?

    • You can "style" the hair using the style tools.
    • You can run a native Poser Simm
    • You can run a Bullet Simm
    • You can use magnets and morph targets.

    And? => You have the ColorRamp tool to "texture" in SuperFly.

    Have fun using the Poser tools. Tony



  • @vilters said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    By promoting what can be done using the Poser tools....

    Have fun using the Poser tools. Tony

    ^--- This. A nice series of promo items that aren't five-hour vids would be great to showcase "What you can do with Poser's tools." An article with nothing but a couple of animated gifs (If that makes the most impact), along with before/after stills and some nice final renders, would be great.

    I like Poser's how-to/neato youtube vids, as they can be fairly instructional. But, they require a basic working knowledge of Poser in order to interpret well. Simple, effective, "look at what you can do" promos with a few focus points for those familiar with 3D, so advanced topics can be showcased, would be great.

    And, as far as vids go, ten to fifteen minutes with a huge amount of "eye candy" and "push-button-to-do-art" sequences are about the limit of exposure promos for potential, new, customers.


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    I don't know if a Poser wiki exist. But I think a place we could collect all tutorials, tips trick together would also promote Poser .Where user could get as many information as possible without to search all over the net.

    Blogs, ( mine still WIP, ashes on my head here) where you really find extraordinaire tips for Poser. etc...



  • @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    I don't know if a Poser wiki exist. But I think a place we could collect all tutorials, tips trick together would also promote Poser .Where user could get as many information as possible without to search all over the net.

    Blogs, ( mine still WIP, ashes on my head here) where you really find extraordinaire tips for Poser. etc...

    There was once a sort of effort to put something together. It died in the Rendo forums, somewhere, when they got all out-of-whack after being changed.

    Poser could certainly use a decent "Wiki" though. The RDNA and Rendo forums were the place to really find out about the details of Poser. (Also, that other old forum that got absorbed by DAZ, and was archived for awhile. Name escapes me atm.) But, the info would get quickly buried in new threadposts.

    A Poser wiki would be useful, but there is something I'd have to stress - It needs an engineers, not "artists", to organize it. :) Artists are, however, the most enthusiastic, but they don't always reason in a coherent fashion... Luckily, organization can be done by function and "Room", so half the problem there works out its own solution.


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    @morkonan The RDNA forums was really huge resource to find outstanding tips. Still miss BB's matmatic group from there.
    Rendero I don't visit often anymore since they change 5 times the month their interface and remove many useful posts and images . Cracked me up.

    A Poser wiki would be useful, but there is something I'd have to stress - It needs an engineers, not "artists", to organize it. :) Artists are, however, the most enthusiastic, but they don't always reason in a coherent fashion... Luckily, organization can be done by function and "Room", so half the problem there works out its own solution. How true lol. Since two years I build up my Poser Blog and still WIP. So many ideas and each time I change the whole site for this "new idea" . So it is still WIP .:)



  • @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @morkonan The RDNA forums was really huge resource to find outstanding tips. Still miss BB's matmatic group from there.
    Rendero I don't visit often anymore since they change 5 times the month their interface and remove many useful posts and images . Cracked me up.

    A Poser wiki would be useful, but there is something I'd have to stress - It needs an engineers, not "artists", to organize it. :) Artists are, however, the most enthusiastic, but they don't always reason in a coherent fashion... Luckily, organization can be done by function and "Room", so half the problem there works out its own solution. How true lol. Since two years I build up my Poser Blog and still WIP. So many ideas and each time I change the whole site for this "new idea" . So it is still WIP .:)

    So, you're saying you're the Rendo web-forum designer, then? :) You both change your minds just as often. :)

    Again, artists are wonderful and creative people, but... things that need to have consistency and remain the same in order to retain usefulness aren't exactly the artist's specialty. The Rendo forums have fifty-eleven darn different subforums, some of them completely unnecessary and most of them needed to be nested within major topic forums instead of being there on their own. There are no proper "subforums" there, they're all just one big list of stuffs, making things far too jumbled and confusing. (Not meaning focus on Rendo, just the advantages of having someone purposefully focus on... keeping focused. :) )

    A comprehensive Poser wiki would indeed be a great asset. But... it will probably never be done. A good start, however, would be if SM gave their blessing to allow the beginning construction of such a thing using simple copy&pastes from the current manual as starting points for all the entries in such a "community wiki." If they'd retain primary oversight/ownership of it, for continuity of administration purposes, that would be... the most wonderful thing, ever. :) (Too many community wikis for such esoteric products and interests get orphaned and privileges get lost, even if there are people willing to take over. (With restricted edit permissions, which should really be the case with most.))

    So, as a way to "promote" Poser, that would be... friggin' awesome. But, it'd take a lot of work to pull off. (Not sure if our most prominent technical geeks would put up with the rest of us making suggestions/edits/yada yada. ;) )


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    @Ladonna
    Ach my dear friend. It has been tried so many times before.

    There once was a wiki at renderosity, but the forum changed, and it went bananas.

    Then a wiki at RDNA; ,Even split up and I remember BB having his own chapter and all. But RDNA sold out, and that was it.

    Many, started blogs, started chat rooms, started God knows what. Just recently Earl started.
    I wish Earl all the best, but the Poser info is so "scattered all over the place", and so many info has been posted, over and over again, and has been lost so many times, that many have given up.

    There is just NO WAY to recover all knowledge that's gone down the drain over the 20+ years of Posers existence.

    And if you really want all info available? Because some countries are specialists in their own domain. Example : Japan => Cosplay, Manga. True artists over there with tons of experience.

    Who speaks Japanese / Chinese / Spanish / Portugese ?
    And I am certainly forgetting some very Poser active languages right now. (so sorry guys)

    Wiki?
    Too many wiki's got washed away due to various reasons.
    I miss them too.

    Perhaps the only option left is start a Wikipedia "Poser tips and tricks" page.



  • @vilters
    Create a crowdfunding campaign to hire a good archivist, and git 'er done.


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    Or maybe just use a site like wikia? It's free and can have multiple contributors.



  • @AmbientShade said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    Or maybe just use a site like wikia? It's free and can have multiple contributors.

    True. But, perpetuity is always an issue with fanbased wikis. People die, lose interest, get tired, don't bother editing out crap, etc... I'm all for it, but it needs appropriate long-term stewardship or, at the very least, an "owner" that can maintain continuity of oversight, even if they just hold the keys to the castle for the next "King."


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    @morkonan True. But the same could happen with a crowdfunded site too.

    Best bet would be convincing SM to create a place here on the official forums for it. At least then it should have the best shot at existing at least as long as this site does.