How would you Promote Poser?


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    I don't know if a Poser wiki exist. But I think a place we could collect all tutorials, tips trick together would also promote Poser .Where user could get as many information as possible without to search all over the net.

    Blogs, ( mine still WIP, ashes on my head here) where you really find extraordinaire tips for Poser. etc...



  • @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    I don't know if a Poser wiki exist. But I think a place we could collect all tutorials, tips trick together would also promote Poser .Where user could get as many information as possible without to search all over the net.

    Blogs, ( mine still WIP, ashes on my head here) where you really find extraordinaire tips for Poser. etc...

    There was once a sort of effort to put something together. It died in the Rendo forums, somewhere, when they got all out-of-whack after being changed.

    Poser could certainly use a decent "Wiki" though. The RDNA and Rendo forums were the place to really find out about the details of Poser. (Also, that other old forum that got absorbed by DAZ, and was archived for awhile. Name escapes me atm.) But, the info would get quickly buried in new threadposts.

    A Poser wiki would be useful, but there is something I'd have to stress - It needs an engineers, not "artists", to organize it. :) Artists are, however, the most enthusiastic, but they don't always reason in a coherent fashion... Luckily, organization can be done by function and "Room", so half the problem there works out its own solution.


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    @morkonan The RDNA forums was really huge resource to find outstanding tips. Still miss BB's matmatic group from there.
    Rendero I don't visit often anymore since they change 5 times the month their interface and remove many useful posts and images . Cracked me up.

    A Poser wiki would be useful, but there is something I'd have to stress - It needs an engineers, not "artists", to organize it. :) Artists are, however, the most enthusiastic, but they don't always reason in a coherent fashion... Luckily, organization can be done by function and "Room", so half the problem there works out its own solution. How true lol. Since two years I build up my Poser Blog and still WIP. So many ideas and each time I change the whole site for this "new idea" . So it is still WIP .:)



  • @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @morkonan The RDNA forums was really huge resource to find outstanding tips. Still miss BB's matmatic group from there.
    Rendero I don't visit often anymore since they change 5 times the month their interface and remove many useful posts and images . Cracked me up.

    A Poser wiki would be useful, but there is something I'd have to stress - It needs an engineers, not "artists", to organize it. :) Artists are, however, the most enthusiastic, but they don't always reason in a coherent fashion... Luckily, organization can be done by function and "Room", so half the problem there works out its own solution. How true lol. Since two years I build up my Poser Blog and still WIP. So many ideas and each time I change the whole site for this "new idea" . So it is still WIP .:)

    So, you're saying you're the Rendo web-forum designer, then? :) You both change your minds just as often. :)

    Again, artists are wonderful and creative people, but... things that need to have consistency and remain the same in order to retain usefulness aren't exactly the artist's specialty. The Rendo forums have fifty-eleven darn different subforums, some of them completely unnecessary and most of them needed to be nested within major topic forums instead of being there on their own. There are no proper "subforums" there, they're all just one big list of stuffs, making things far too jumbled and confusing. (Not meaning focus on Rendo, just the advantages of having someone purposefully focus on... keeping focused. :) )

    A comprehensive Poser wiki would indeed be a great asset. But... it will probably never be done. A good start, however, would be if SM gave their blessing to allow the beginning construction of such a thing using simple copy&pastes from the current manual as starting points for all the entries in such a "community wiki." If they'd retain primary oversight/ownership of it, for continuity of administration purposes, that would be... the most wonderful thing, ever. :) (Too many community wikis for such esoteric products and interests get orphaned and privileges get lost, even if there are people willing to take over. (With restricted edit permissions, which should really be the case with most.))

    So, as a way to "promote" Poser, that would be... friggin' awesome. But, it'd take a lot of work to pull off. (Not sure if our most prominent technical geeks would put up with the rest of us making suggestions/edits/yada yada. ;) )


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    @Ladonna
    Ach my dear friend. It has been tried so many times before.

    There once was a wiki at renderosity, but the forum changed, and it went bananas.

    Then a wiki at RDNA; ,Even split up and I remember BB having his own chapter and all. But RDNA sold out, and that was it.

    Many, started blogs, started chat rooms, started God knows what. Just recently Earl started.
    I wish Earl all the best, but the Poser info is so "scattered all over the place", and so many info has been posted, over and over again, and has been lost so many times, that many have given up.

    There is just NO WAY to recover all knowledge that's gone down the drain over the 20+ years of Posers existence.

    And if you really want all info available? Because some countries are specialists in their own domain. Example : Japan => Cosplay, Manga. True artists over there with tons of experience.

    Who speaks Japanese / Chinese / Spanish / Portugese ?
    And I am certainly forgetting some very Poser active languages right now. (so sorry guys)

    Wiki?
    Too many wiki's got washed away due to various reasons.
    I miss them too.

    Perhaps the only option left is start a Wikipedia "Poser tips and tricks" page.



  • @vilters
    Create a crowdfunding campaign to hire a good archivist, and git 'er done.


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    Or maybe just use a site like wikia? It's free and can have multiple contributors.



  • @AmbientShade said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    Or maybe just use a site like wikia? It's free and can have multiple contributors.

    True. But, perpetuity is always an issue with fanbased wikis. People die, lose interest, get tired, don't bother editing out crap, etc... I'm all for it, but it needs appropriate long-term stewardship or, at the very least, an "owner" that can maintain continuity of oversight, even if they just hold the keys to the castle for the next "King."


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    @morkonan True. But the same could happen with a crowdfunded site too.

    Best bet would be convincing SM to create a place here on the official forums for it. At least then it should have the best shot at existing at least as long as this site does.



  • @AmbientShade said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @morkonan True. But the same could happen with a crowdfunded site too.

    Best bet would be convincing SM to create a place here on the official forums for it. At least then it should have the best shot at existing at least as long as this site does.

    They could simply accept ownership of a wiki, acting as a "good faith steward" in providing an avenue for continuity and a medium for the transfer of administration of the wiki, but without taking any true responsibility for "content." That way, fans/community could get their wiki they could help build, but a true admin crew would still have the power to oversee edits without the whole wiki possibly ending up "losing its collective car-keys" and then everything goes pear shaped when people quit, die, retire, lose interest, go to jail, join a commune, etc.. :)

    As with everything, it needs content to get off the ground. IMO, the easiest way to get the ball rolling and to increase its appeal is to start it off with ready-made content entries in the form of actual User and Python manual entries being entered into it. That would certainly require a nod from SM, if such isn't also covered in the respective manual's licensing terms.


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    @morkonan If it's hosted on another site then it always runs the risk of disappearing again. Back when I was mod at Rosity I tried getting people to contribute to a wiki there but all I got in response was bitterness and attitude about it because they had already spent a bunch of time and effort building one there some years prior and it got deleted during a site cleanup/redesign so no one was willing to risk that again. They eventually added the framework in for a new wiki but nothing poser-related ever happened with it that I'm aware of.

    The only real way to prevent that from happening again is for SM to host it. It's their software after all. They don't have to administer it, but providing access to the structure on their official forum site so that users can contribute to it when they want is about the best way to ensure its survival.



  • @eclark1849 owh i see.



  • @AmbientShade said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    ...The only real way to prevent that from happening again is for SM to host it. It's their software after all. They don't have to administer it, but providing access to the structure on their official forum site so that users can contribute to it when they want is about the best way to ensure its survival.

    If they're willing to do that, then sure! I'm always hesitant to suggest that someone take upon themselves more responsibility than absolutely necessary, especially a "business" that has other concerns than creating a "wiki" for users.

    Administering it may be a perceived headache they wouldn't want to take on, especially since things will substantively change, given the "release version" model they have. "Oh noes, we have a new version out now, so either we have to add a new wiki, change existing entries or add version history changes to everything!"

    I'm a fan, so I want the developers to be as happy as possible while the fanbase is rewarded as much as possible, given any possible suggestion of a "plan" to accomplish this.

    On the subject of a wiki, though, I also worry about "the best-laid plans of mice and men" meeting contact with "execution." :) We would all love a great wiki, but can we get the content for it and can we convince "those who know stuffs" to pour their knowledge into it? That's difficult to determine, especially since there isn't much other than "community goodwill" to serve as a motivation.

    One thing about RDNA I really loved was the fairly close group of nodeculters that would talk back and forth and explore all sorts of esoteric and interesting things about the material room. Most, I assume, just did it for the enjoyment of discovering how to do something with it. That information exchange, as their experiments continued, was invaluable to the community-at-large. The incentive there was obviously personal enjoyment and sharing enthusiasm. That same incentive won't be forthcoming when dry-posting wiki info, so it's a bit worrisome.

    ie: Get commitments that are meaningful, resources from SM and permissions to use the manual as backbone info for all the entries, get commitments to vet and review certain entries, from time to time, in certain sections and... maybe it can happen. I'm a starry-eyed, mouthbreathing moron when it comes down to most technical things "Poser." But, I'd happily volunteer to consume as much of the wiki as I possibly could, should it ever be fully realized. :)


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    @morkonan On the subject of a wiki, though, I also worry about "the best-laid plans of mice and men" meeting contact with "execution." :) We would all love a great wiki, but can we get the content for it and can we convince "those who know stuffs" to pour their knowledge into it? That's difficult to determine, especially since there isn't much other than "community goodwill" to serve as a motivation.

    Sometimes is motivation and a idea is all you need for to build up something successful. To much worrying keeps you away from try out new stuff, explore new things. It is all the time risky to explore new terrain. You may fail many times, but each time you get up on your feet again, you learned and get stronger.
    Doing nothing because bad experience in the past will not work. SM with Poser need better communication with the user.
    For now, everything is cluttered , chaotic .For many user not helpful .



  • @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    ...You may fail many times, but each time you get up on your feet again, you learned and get stronger.

    Measure twice, cut once... I like to make plans so I can minimize the chance of falling. :) Falling hurts and I don't like it very much. :D

    So, in general, I usually make as much of a detailed plan as I can, preparing for any foreseen issues. Then, as I progress with enacting "the plan" I have the benefit of a fairly well though out structure. I can alter it or make changes to it as I go, rather than having to create such options from scratch "while I'm already in the process of "going.""

    But, honestly, it's still just as easy to trip and fall. :) Don't tell anyone, since "having plans" makes me look smarterer!



  • If I were making a promotional video for Poser , it would probably look something like this:

    http://www.steveharms.com/



  • @eclark1849

    Couldn't figure out if that was a guy's demo reel or a music video. :) But, the idea for a Poser promo is very similar - Inform the consumer while entertaining them with both eye and mind candy. :)