How would you Promote Poser?



  • @vilters
    Create a crowdfunding campaign to hire a good archivist, and git 'er done.


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    Or maybe just use a site like wikia? It's free and can have multiple contributors.



  • @AmbientShade said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    Or maybe just use a site like wikia? It's free and can have multiple contributors.

    True. But, perpetuity is always an issue with fanbased wikis. People die, lose interest, get tired, don't bother editing out crap, etc... I'm all for it, but it needs appropriate long-term stewardship or, at the very least, an "owner" that can maintain continuity of oversight, even if they just hold the keys to the castle for the next "King."


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    @morkonan True. But the same could happen with a crowdfunded site too.

    Best bet would be convincing SM to create a place here on the official forums for it. At least then it should have the best shot at existing at least as long as this site does.



  • @AmbientShade said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    @morkonan True. But the same could happen with a crowdfunded site too.

    Best bet would be convincing SM to create a place here on the official forums for it. At least then it should have the best shot at existing at least as long as this site does.

    They could simply accept ownership of a wiki, acting as a "good faith steward" in providing an avenue for continuity and a medium for the transfer of administration of the wiki, but without taking any true responsibility for "content." That way, fans/community could get their wiki they could help build, but a true admin crew would still have the power to oversee edits without the whole wiki possibly ending up "losing its collective car-keys" and then everything goes pear shaped when people quit, die, retire, lose interest, go to jail, join a commune, etc.. :)

    As with everything, it needs content to get off the ground. IMO, the easiest way to get the ball rolling and to increase its appeal is to start it off with ready-made content entries in the form of actual User and Python manual entries being entered into it. That would certainly require a nod from SM, if such isn't also covered in the respective manual's licensing terms.


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    @morkonan If it's hosted on another site then it always runs the risk of disappearing again. Back when I was mod at Rosity I tried getting people to contribute to a wiki there but all I got in response was bitterness and attitude about it because they had already spent a bunch of time and effort building one there some years prior and it got deleted during a site cleanup/redesign so no one was willing to risk that again. They eventually added the framework in for a new wiki but nothing poser-related ever happened with it that I'm aware of.

    The only real way to prevent that from happening again is for SM to host it. It's their software after all. They don't have to administer it, but providing access to the structure on their official forum site so that users can contribute to it when they want is about the best way to ensure its survival.



  • @eclark1849 owh i see.



  • @AmbientShade said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    ...The only real way to prevent that from happening again is for SM to host it. It's their software after all. They don't have to administer it, but providing access to the structure on their official forum site so that users can contribute to it when they want is about the best way to ensure its survival.

    If they're willing to do that, then sure! I'm always hesitant to suggest that someone take upon themselves more responsibility than absolutely necessary, especially a "business" that has other concerns than creating a "wiki" for users.

    Administering it may be a perceived headache they wouldn't want to take on, especially since things will substantively change, given the "release version" model they have. "Oh noes, we have a new version out now, so either we have to add a new wiki, change existing entries or add version history changes to everything!"

    I'm a fan, so I want the developers to be as happy as possible while the fanbase is rewarded as much as possible, given any possible suggestion of a "plan" to accomplish this.

    On the subject of a wiki, though, I also worry about "the best-laid plans of mice and men" meeting contact with "execution." :) We would all love a great wiki, but can we get the content for it and can we convince "those who know stuffs" to pour their knowledge into it? That's difficult to determine, especially since there isn't much other than "community goodwill" to serve as a motivation.

    One thing about RDNA I really loved was the fairly close group of nodeculters that would talk back and forth and explore all sorts of esoteric and interesting things about the material room. Most, I assume, just did it for the enjoyment of discovering how to do something with it. That information exchange, as their experiments continued, was invaluable to the community-at-large. The incentive there was obviously personal enjoyment and sharing enthusiasm. That same incentive won't be forthcoming when dry-posting wiki info, so it's a bit worrisome.

    ie: Get commitments that are meaningful, resources from SM and permissions to use the manual as backbone info for all the entries, get commitments to vet and review certain entries, from time to time, in certain sections and... maybe it can happen. I'm a starry-eyed, mouthbreathing moron when it comes down to most technical things "Poser." But, I'd happily volunteer to consume as much of the wiki as I possibly could, should it ever be fully realized. :)


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    @morkonan On the subject of a wiki, though, I also worry about "the best-laid plans of mice and men" meeting contact with "execution." :) We would all love a great wiki, but can we get the content for it and can we convince "those who know stuffs" to pour their knowledge into it? That's difficult to determine, especially since there isn't much other than "community goodwill" to serve as a motivation.

    Sometimes is motivation and a idea is all you need for to build up something successful. To much worrying keeps you away from try out new stuff, explore new things. It is all the time risky to explore new terrain. You may fail many times, but each time you get up on your feet again, you learned and get stronger.
    Doing nothing because bad experience in the past will not work. SM with Poser need better communication with the user.
    For now, everything is cluttered , chaotic .For many user not helpful .



  • @Ladonna said in How would you Promote Poser?:

    ...You may fail many times, but each time you get up on your feet again, you learned and get stronger.

    Measure twice, cut once... I like to make plans so I can minimize the chance of falling. :) Falling hurts and I don't like it very much. :D

    So, in general, I usually make as much of a detailed plan as I can, preparing for any foreseen issues. Then, as I progress with enacting "the plan" I have the benefit of a fairly well though out structure. I can alter it or make changes to it as I go, rather than having to create such options from scratch "while I'm already in the process of "going.""

    But, honestly, it's still just as easy to trip and fall. :) Don't tell anyone, since "having plans" makes me look smarterer!



  • If I were making a promotional video for Poser , it would probably look something like this:

    http://www.steveharms.com/



  • @eclark1849

    Couldn't figure out if that was a guy's demo reel or a music video. :) But, the idea for a Poser promo is very similar - Inform the consumer while entertaining them with both eye and mind candy. :)