Vendor Tales...

  • @Ladonna I get what you're saying, and as I said, it wasn't a criticism of the gown, just using it as a quick screen grab. And tuthfully, you put a bright spot behind that dress in the real world you'll at least some light behind her and through the clothes.

    uhoh, Time to make the doughnuts. :) (Go to work if you don't get the reference)

  • @eclark1849 Except, Earl, in this case you're wrong. A designer would make this dress only in heavy, non translucent fabric to highlight the split up the leg.

    Translucence in this case would lead to the eye being misdirected from the slit to the space between the legs confusing the viewer.

    Now, that said, there was a material room MR from Tabala called Merchant's Glory that created cloth room fabrics like you mention. It's long been off the market, but I used it when I was learning the material room and, frankly, it was the only thing that made sense of the spaghetti code that is the material room for me.

    There were settings for things like Cotton Cold, Cotton Warm, Silk Cold, Organza, etc., etc. where you plugged your own painted UV maps into Tabala's settings and it worked beautifully.

    Except for changing the specular settings, it still works beautifully for Superfly, too.

  • @Glitterati3D said in Vendor Tales...:

    Now, that said, there was a material room MR from Tabala called Merchant's Glory that created cloth room fabrics like you mention.

    I have 4 of Tabala's older goodies, but don't think I have that one.

  • Here I used Tabala's Silk Cold to achieve Earl's look. I did disconnect the altSpecular and set the Specular instead, for Superfly.

    I do think, however, it shows the point I was trying to make to Earl. Since the side slit is now not a focal point, the dress becomes "just another gown." While still pretty, there's nothing here that give it a distinct look.


  • @Glitterati3D Now that Tabala set I do have. Geeze, I haven't looked at these in a long time.

  • @Glitterati3D I like that dress, Traci, but I disagree. I think, if the dress were a more solid color, like Black or white, the split would be more eye catching. I also wasn't looking for it to be quite THAT sheer.

  • I have a question for the vendors. When I go to the stores like Rendo, CP or Hivewire, usually I'm not shopping by vendor, I'm shopping by what I need or want. So If I want shoes or skirts or blouses, for example, that's what I want to see. How would you feel if the stores would reorganize their stores to display products more like an actual catalog, versus by a vendor's store? Do you think that would help or hurt sales?

  • @eclark1849 I doubt it would matter at all, but making things easier for the customer should always be at the top of the Things To Do list.

  • @Glitterati3D said in Vendor Tales...:

    There's no ROI for a vendor on Poser products anymore.

    Don't limit yourself to Poser products then. I do not create Poser products. I create Meshbox 3D products that are available in several different formats but are optimized to work well with Poser (and compatible with DAZ Studio). My job isn't to sell Poser. My job is to sell Meshbox 3D products.

    There have been some products I have made that have paid for themselves in just a day or two. Others that take many months.

    A great many vendors have handed control and expectations over to the brokerages. Brokerages have their own business models that are advantageous to them, but not necessarily for vendors. They are optimized for ease of making themselves a chunk of money and then discount binning, which means the skim the easiest to reach customers - some more than others.

    I am not saying it is easy to sell to the Poser market - it is a very variable market, and many vendors were so crushed after the economy took a nose dive in 2008 that they never recovered. Don't bet only on one horse.

    Plus, I will say this - many vendors don't look up and see beyond really small scale petty rivalries for cooperative marketing (and not exploitative marketing by a few brokerages).

  • @meshbox Can't disagree with anything you've said. I also think that vendors actually depend too much on brokerages to promote them. Again, I like the idea of a vendor putting together her own catalog of products and sending it out to her own customer base. You could even include a link on each page that would take you instantly to the item they want to buy. Remember that a lot of people are impulse buyers, so you may only have one shot at getting them to buy.

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    @eclark1849 No, this is the wrong way. Sounds like spam to be honest. I have a few vendors on my fav list. It is for me enough when Rendero send me each time a not about their new release. From vendors their catalog or each time they have a sale, would be to much.
    I subscribe years ago to the newsletter from a vendor. Since this i got so many aggressive mails on daily base that I even can not read the name anymore.
    Even unsubscribe did not help. So I spam him since long. Even here, day for day a mail in my spam box from him. Annoying .

  • @Ladonna I don't think it's spam. Spam, as I understand it, is unwanted contact. You won't be sending the catalogs to anyone who either didn't request them or sign up to receive them. So it would be no different that DAZ or Hivewire sending you an email once or twice a month. And if someone doesn't want to receive it anymore, just stop sending it to them.

  • @eclark1849 Ladonna is likely referring to one specific DAZ vendor that is a horrific spammer.

    I think many of us unsubscribed, begged, pleaded and then finally just turned him into our ISPs as a spammer when he ignored all requests to be removed from his list.

  • @meshbox Well, there's one thing I know for certain..........IF I ever offer Poser products again (and that's unlikely) it won't be through a brokerage.

    I will use my own independent website or simply refrain.

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    @Glitterati3D Stacey, I think you need a bit time out. I understand your frustration. I was like this after RDNA close over night.
    We just release 2-3 days before the Maison abandonne .Because maximum frustration about how this whole stuff was done, we clink out for more than 2 years.
    Slowly coming back .

  • @Ladonna Actually, no, it's a lot more than that, Ladonna. Yes, the brokerages do nothing for the vendors like Meshbox says. But, the issue is much more about Poser customers who have repeatedly said they want V4 and their V4 runtimes. More power to them, have at it. Enjoy V4.

    I have zero intention of ever modeling anything for V4 with her horrendous rigging ever again.

    As long as that's what customers want, there is no place for vendors - the market for V4 has been saturated for years.

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    @Glitterati3D Agree with V4. I did not use her anymore too.
    But Dawn, Bella, PE are here. They need poses, outfit, jewels. Maybe the Poser market shrink, but I think there are still enough people out who want to buy new stuff for the girls.
    Think about, without Daz amazing vendors, Genesis would not be so successful.
    It is up on us to support Poser and all the vendors who made a hell job and develop those figures like PE,Dawn, Bella.
    Commercial content, or freebie, Outfits, poses or just props, environments. Does not matter what, but support .
    Scripts, anything goes.
    Are you good in sculpting Tracey?

  • @Ladonna Not interested, Ladonna. Thanks, but no thanks.

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    @Glitterati3D Very sad to see you go away.

  • @Ladonna said in Vendor Tales...:

    @Glitterati3D Very sad to see you go away.

    It is sad, but Traci's obviously burnt out, and just has no more enthusiasm for vending. Can't say I blame her too much. But that is why I started this thread. For vendors to commiserate and talk about ideas which they feel could work in increasing their sales. They have to believe in those ideas though..