Portugal... hmm...

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    @Glitterati3D They learn on really many apps. Maya, Max, Blender , Adobe ,Affinity. Just a few of them.
    True is also that Studios almost never use pre-made content and therefore Poser and DS are almost non existent .
    The reason is to avoid copyright problems.
    They have their own content creator or hire freelancer who create stuff from scratch.I see a few time Poser characters on advertising's, only the characters which comes with Poser and only maybe a dozen time. DS even more rare.
    Poser and DS should keep focusing on the little hobby market. On the professional market they can not win this game.

  • @j.naylor73 Here's the OptiTex Flare Dress for V4 converted to PE.

    Now, I didn't mess with the fitting room, I just took it into the modeler and made necessary changes to avoid pokethrough. Because 1) it's faster, 2) it's easier than watching the fitting room make crumpled foil out of the dress and 3) I retain the UV map, can use existing textures, etc.

    But, it's dynamic clothing.

    I had to use the cloth room to get a finished render.

    But, the bottom line is that it's certainly possible, but much more highly probable to get a good fit and render with dynamic clothing.

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    It depends on the input-output.

    Three are 2 types of content creators depending on polycount.
    a) The content creators that model every detail in the obj files end up with super high quality but very high polygon count clothing.
    b) The ones that make good use of bump, displacement and normal maps to get the details in the clothing end up with the same amount of detail but at a far less polycount obj file..
    Type a is NOT Fitting room compatible because they loose all detail in the process.
    Type b is fitting room compatible.

    Another trigger : The obj file quality, and again 2 types.

    Poser splits obj files into individual vertex groups at cr2/obj file save.

    a) Content creators that repair their obj files before release (correct vertex grouping and welding) are fitting room compatible.
    b) Content creators that do NOT repair their obj files before release end up with NOT fitting room compatible obj files. => These will crack open (unweld) most of the time.

    And then there is me. LOL.
    Most of the time : I don't use multiple vertex groups in conforming clothing any more.
    They are NOT required for a fitting room operation and get a properly weight- and bulge mapped conforming clothing.

    Ha-ha, and when there is nothing to unweld? Tja, => Always perfect conforming clothing.

    (Told you guys in a previous post that you need surprising few vertex groups.)

    It does not matter what tool you use., but you have to learn how to use it, and how to extract the most of it.

  • @j.naylor73 Actually, if you think back to the days of RDNA, almost every piece made by EvilInnocence was converted to just about every figure available. Most of the EI stuff was conforming. I have no idea what the sales figures were for those outfit, but I assume fairly good because 1) the conversions were done for years, and 2) they were Real Deals, so not priced over $5.00.

    Esha did multiple figure versions of her Levante suit......

    I converted Levante for V4 to PE here - again, not in the fitting room, in the modeler. And, again, dynamic clothing.


  • @parkdalegardener Yeah, and that's exactly why the Poser For Dummies web site no longer has Poser users and is populated only by DS users.

  • @vilters You don't know the first thing about being a vendor, Tony. You know only what Tony wants. And, if anyone does something other than "the Tony way, in blender" they are evil. Tony's Law.

  • @vilters And, Tony, given this is your stated opinion elsewhere, one has to wonder exactly what you are doing on the SM Poser forum at all:

    OK, let us finish this off here and now. YES: Poser is dead, buried, underground, obsolete, by-passed, deleted, removed, bought, fired, knifed, shot.

    You're given a free piece of software and in appreciation set out to destroy the company that gave it to you.

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    What's next?
    Is it my fault that Dusk and Dawn are not fully Poser compatible? LOL; you even helped to prove that one. LOL.
    Is it my fault that Blender is free? Wings is free, Anim8or is free. (I use all 3 you know)
    is it my fault some vendors are releasing unwelded obj files?
    Is it my fault that Poser has more tools then the competition?
    is it my fault that Poser users search better quality then what some vendors deliver?
    Is it my fault that there are now more vendors then customers?
    Is it my fault that Poser end users are very creative on their own?
    is it my fault that you are so polite to wait to attack till I leave the site?

    Oh, and it is extremely LOW to quote a post and pull it completely out of its context.

    Enfin, the above says more about you then about me.

  • @vilters I hope you'll turn your anti-vendor venom on the Blender vendors. It will be quite fun to watch them chew you up and spit you out.

  • @vilters ROFL, out of context? OK, here's your entire post.

    I just left out the DAZ bashing is all.

    ***OK, let us finish this off here and now. YES: Poser is dead, buried, underground, obsolete, by-passed, deleted, removed, bought, fired, knifed, shot.

    If I did not know any better? Kids in a kindergarden fighting over some candy.

    Oh, and before we go to alternatives?

    ANYTHING with an "I" is overhyped and overpaid by definition. => It is in the "genes of the "I". And a "DS" is a French car build in the 50-60's by Citroen in France.

    Ok, let's move on now.***

  • Well, this thread is no longer helpful or fun.

  • @eclark1849 This thread was disgraceful from the first post.

    Calling the Portugese people "uneducated," among other things was as unhelpful to SM/Poser as Tony Vilters is.

  • @Glitterati3D said in Portugal... hmm...:

    @eclark1849 This thread was disgraceful from the first post.

    Calling the Portugese people "uneducated," among other things was as unhelpful to SM/Poser as Tony Vilters is.

    Who called them "uneducated"?

  • @eclark1849 Maybe you should re-read the first post.

  • @Glitterati3D Maybe you should try to understand the first post.

  • @Glitterati3D I did. I didn't see anyone calling anyone else uneducated.

  • @adp I understood it quite clearly, as did several others.

  • @eclark1849 the population is only 10 million people, and only 15% of the population has high school diploma, not to tell college graduation

  • ENOUGH already.

  • Yes, this is my first post in this forum, and most likely my last (at least for a long while).

    Wow!! People here should be aware that others who are not participating may be watching the conversations here. I agree 100% that this is simply a sad thread. To imply that people in Portugal couldn't program Poser as well as people in other locations is simply ignorant to say the least.

    Additionally, this forum, and other "Poser" forums elsewhere are public facing views of the Poser community. I was about to upgrade to PP11 when PE was released just to use her. But, after visiting the forums to see what was happening, I decided if what I saw here, and elsewhere was representative of the greater Poser community, I was better off putting my money and time somewhere else.

    First, the vitriol spewing forth in these forums toward other companies, users of "competing" products, vendors for those competing products, and toward each other is to say the least, alarming! Then, while so many are bashing other software and vendors, there seems to be only a hand full of users that are willing to make renders that make Poser look inspiring, and worth investing in.

    I hate saying anything bad about anyone, but this community needs some sort of wake up call. To be perfectly honest, I was willing to overlook what I felt were major miss-steps of SM with P11. But, it was this community, all the finger pointing elsewhere, the abundant instances of less than inspiring renders, and the sad state of this myopic community full of vitriol and hate the pushed me away from the P11 upgrade. I'm not saying that similar things don't happen elsewhere, but the level displayed in the Poser community is simply off the chart.

    Seriously, I have little doubt that the negative nature of this community has chased many existing, and potential new users away. Additionally, the misleading uninformed claims about DAZ, and DS users, and DAZ bashing needs to stop as well. This only helps to further alienate DS users who also use Poser (like me), and push away any potential new users who use DS.

    I'm sure I will get seriously flamed now by the usual crowd, but after your done, I hope you take a real look at your behavior, and hopefully tone it down a bit ..... no, tone it down a lot!!

    Like Decee, I'm now done with Poser, and this community (how sad is it that she is leaving this community), and I started with Poser 3. It has become too difficult to remain silent, and I know my views are not wanted, so it is best that I no longer lurk, hoping for something good to happen.