Portugal... hmm...



  • There is nothing wrong with Portugal. Several years ago i made a research for a company regarding out sourcing of software development. We had put together a very long list of criteria and after weighting them all in Portugal was one of out top candidates.



  • When the news came about the Portugal move I looked up some comparison site giving comparitive figures for countries for typical cost of labour for staff with given qualifications.
    It did explain a lot.
    Remember also that you best compare EU nations with states in the US.



  • @fverbaas said in Portugal... hmm...:

    When the news came about the Portugal move I looked up some comparison site giving comparitive figures for countries for typical cost of labour for staff with given qualifications.
    It did explain a lot.
    Remember also that you best compare EU nations with states in the US.

    Okay, I'm not defending the move, or the resructuring, but pointing out a couple of things in the comparison. Skillsets and abilities being pretty much exactly equal in comparison, a worker in the US will almost always cost more than a worker anywhere else in the world. Especially if the worker being replaced lives in the state of California.


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    @eclark1849 Come to France, watch and see the difference. France is expensive like hell. Thats why our industry fly away.
    Portugal cost less, which does not mean that people have less skills. They are the same good or bad like the rest of Europe.



  • It has nothing to do with the size of the population :)

    In Denmark, we're a mere 5 million people. We're not stupid, just because there's few of us. I dunno the figures of high school education here, but I would think it's pretty high. Just remember that the rest of the world don't necessarily has the same system of "schools" - in Denmark you have 9-10 years of "primary school", then 2-3 years of "high school" and then university (if that's the route you take) - you might also go directly to some other sort of educatioon, like a graphics education, right from "Primary School". The lack of a "High School" education doesn't mean you aren't educated, just that the systems aren't easily comparable.


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    @trekkiegrrrl Same France

    here the School system from France
    0_1530198864505_french-education-system-18-638.jpg


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    Knowing, more or less how complicated the Poser code is, I really did not understand why they sacked everybody at once without one on one "know-how" transfer.

    It takes a good but new team about a year to understand "what is".
    Then a year to finetune the code and prepare for the future.
    Then a year to "invent and implement" where they wanna go with the app, and at least another year of testing the new code and new additions.

    Add an extra year if they also want to bring the existing content up to 2018-2019 standards.

    Nationality is not so important because there are good engineers everywhere, but for an app like Poser you need a solid and motivated team.

    I always thought it would go to Japan with their Manga culture and where any form of 2D and 3D is extremely popular but it seems Japan was too expensive too.

    @eclark1849
    I always come to the USA for my vacations because living cost are 1/2 to 1/3 of Belgium. (Stay away from California, Florida or New-York. LOL.)
    @Ladonna
    I also visit France often. if you think France is expensive? Come to Belgium. LOL.


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    @vilters Yeah Tony, whole Europe sucks with taxes. They get out of control with this. Macron raise the taxes when he get elected and we had to pay April the difference from last year. 3800 € + the tax which would anyway be. Insane


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    Ha-ha-ha-, be happy my dear. You only have to pay one government.
    We have to maintain 4 governments. (5 actually)


    As i wrote somewhere else: I am retired. if I make ANYTHING on the side it is 66% taxes MINIMUM.


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    @vilters They should go to hell whit this robbing out people.
    At last we here in France have again manifestations against new taxes. It is anyway a French hobby to have manifestations . We are against everything .lol



  • @vilters Who the HELL, puts mayonnaise on French Fries, and for the love of God, WHY?????



  • @eclark1849 said in Portugal... hmm...:

    @vilters Who the HELL, puts mayonnaise on French Fries, and for the love of God, WHY?????

    For the same reason I dip mine in mustard - it tastes good.

    Don’t act like an ugly ‘Murikan.



  • @ssgbryan Mustard I can understand.


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    @eclark1849 Belgium people .



  • @eclark1849 said in Portugal... hmm...:

    @ssgbryan Mustard I can understand.

    Good thing you aren’t eating at my house. Ketchup used to come in vastly different flavors. For the 4th of July, I make applesauce ketchup for my dogs, burgers, and fries. For thanksgiving leftovers, I slather that leftover turkey with cranberry ketchup.


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    @vilters ***Knowing, more or less how complicated the Poser code is, I really did not understand why they sacked everybody at once without one on one "know-how" transfer.

    It takes a good but new team about a year to understand "what is".
    Then a year to finetune the code and prepare for the future.
    Then a year to "invent and implement" where they wanna go with the app, and at least another year of testing the new code and new additions.***

    tony, what are you dreaming about?
    No one Company gives you nowadays 2 year to jump in a project. Eat or die. This is the motto.



  • @vilters said in Portugal... hmm...:

    Add an extra year if they also want to bring the existing content up to 2018-2019 standards.

    Not if you are talking the figures, the associated clothing poses and materials, and then on top of that add the toons, the animals, the props, and so on. With an average of 2-4 weeks per item or set, you're talking several years to update the whole lot, some being more work than others. It took me over a month to update the 30-something pieces in "The Pad", for example.

    Take, for example, that some of the old animals are UV mapped in half, so the opposite side is an exact mirror. A good deal of the geometry is unwelded and asymmetrical. All of the pre-Poser 9 content was not built for subdivision.

    I think, rather than furnishing all of that old ancient content with Poser, they should pull it out of the base application and put it up on CP as freebies so that those who still want access to it can have it. Then they can build up a new set of library content that comes with Poser over time.



  • @Deecey

    Oh! Add to that that there are several props that don't even have UV maps, and are just assigned solid colors.



  • @Deecey said in Portugal... hmm...:

    I think, rather than furnishing all of that old ancient content with Poser, they should pull it out of the base application and put it up on CP as freebies so that those who still want access to it can have it. Then they can build up a new set of library content that comes with Poser over time.

    That would be the best solution indeed.
    I have proposed to make updates/modifications of the stuff redistributable under the same lock that protects the old runtimes it was distributed under, so those who want can give it a try.



  • @Ladonna

    It's already been 19 months since the old team was let go. Coming on close to 2 years already.

    Poser 11 was released Nov 2015. Almost three years ago.

    8-(


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