TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically



  • @Glitterati3D ermm, sorry, but I own a lot of his stuff and I don't recognize this at all. Please tell me which one you mean. From what I own: everything is built from props. (don't know about his cars, as I don't own any and he has a few clothing-ish items that are characters). But even his luxury yacht is built entirely from props.

    And you can schlepp, hide, and/or re-use all of this stuff as individual items.
    And I see progress, as his walls more and more tend to be built up from small individual items instead of being one big wall.

    Of course it's wise to do some reshuffling of the prop parenting in hierarchy editor, so all ceiling lamps lift away when you lift away the ceiling for example, or the chairs move with a table if you move it.

    But imo he creates the most versatile stuff I've seen from vendors, which is why I'm such a fan.

    And to go lightweight you do have to use compression and external PMD.
    His yacht weighs in at 38,3 MB as .pp2, but has shrunken to 0,98 MB after I've put it in my Box character container and saved it compressed.

    Out of the top of my head only Stonemason produces stuff that are lightweight out of the box.



  • @Glitterati3D does the camera hither setting not give you the ability to hide everything less than a specified distance from the camera? I know there were times when older versions of Poser didn't match the Preview and Render hither settings, but it seems to work in Poser 11.
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    I know this is not the best example, since the figure is so close to the hither cropped bathtub, but a room's walls being further away should be easier to hide within the framed scene using this technique.
    [And don't ask why there would be a bathtub in the middle of a pool, or why the figure would be kneeling through the bottom of said tub ;-)]



  • @BobM I wouldn't normally use the size of compressed files in the filesystem to judge whether something is lightweight, since it all has to be uncompressed in memory at some point (even if on-the-fly memory compression schemes are in use). High resolution textures can be memory killers too, if you have lots of them, even if they compress very tidily on mass storage.



  • @anomalaus No, I'm talking about something (a wall) in FRONT of the camera.

    I have several TruForm pieces. When they load, the entire scene is enclosed in a box. Now, yeah, sometimes I can move the camera inside the box and get the scene I want, but many times, I just need to hide the wall that is blocking the camera. But, if I set the wall to invisible, ALL the walls go with it because they aren't separate.



  • @Glitterati3D I understood that, but what is not immediately obvious (since I only posted one image) is that the bathtub is completely in front of the camera. All I have done is increase the camera's hither parameter until it clipped part of the tub (as though it were behind the camera).
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    This is the same scene with a smaller value of the camera's hither parameter. A wall in front of the camera would behave in exactly the same way, disappearing from both preview and render if it is less than the hither distance from the camera.



  • @Glitterati3D now, I certainly concede that anyone will have trouble posing (placing the camera where you want it), if there are walls in the way. It's not always easy to work with hither, as it doesn't give any clue as to what is truly behind the camera and what has been clipped by hither settings, unless you fiddle with it. One gets so used to seeing everything. But there are other options, like setting the walls of the scene to wireframe mode (I assume that if you can only hide walls en-masse, then changing their display mode would also be a single change). The walls will still render correctly, despite previewing in wireframe, and then you can adjust the camera's hither until they disappear.

    I won't say it's perfect. Film and TV producers certainly don't always limit themselves to camerawork bound by physical walls, if it doesn't suit them (TV studios or SitCom sets, for example). I even resort to parenting cameras to figures' eyeballs with short focal lengths to get a sense of what one would see if physically present in the 3D scene. But storytelling is never restricted to "just what you can do with a phone camera and a selfie stick". It can be nice to just vanish walls that are in the way. :-)



  • @anomalaus said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @BobM I wouldn't normally use the size of compressed files in the filesystem to judge whether something is lightweight, since it all has to be uncompressed in memory at some point (even if on-the-fly memory compression schemes are in use). High resolution textures can be memory killers too, if you have lots of them, even if they compress very tidily on mass storage.

    Well, yes, that does make sense. Only thing I can say that since I've begun doing this (compress and PMD) scenes feel less bulky and respond better when moving the camera around.



  • @Glitterati3D said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @anomalaus No, I'm talking about something (a wall) in FRONT of the camera.

    I have several TruForm pieces. When they load, the entire scene is enclosed in a box. Now, yeah, sometimes I can move the camera inside the box and get the scene I want, but many times, I just need to hide the wall that is blocking the camera. But, if I set the wall to invisible, ALL the walls go with it because they aren't separate.

    Then please tell which TF item you're refering to.
    You say the entire scene is enclosed in a box, so probably you're referring to one of his rooms. I've grabbed his modern bedroom as shown in the pics below and all items are parented props you can hide/display individually. This my experience with all his rooms and I have about 12 of them.

    So I'm really curious which one you're talking about!

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    Modern Bedroom As Is Out of the Box and with Front and Back walls hidden



  • @BobM said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @trekkiegrrrl Huh, OK, that one I don't have. But I do have his stuff like Modern Home, Luxury Home, DeLuxe House, Driveway Motel. No problems whatsoever. Although it has to work for Drive Motel. Even his lingerie store (only one I bought NOT on sale, and it was half price within a week on rendo (arrghh)).

    You develop your own content so I assume you don't have a regular specced compu. Very strange.

    Oh my computer is very regular specced. And old. Not sure how old but I think it's nearing its 5 year birthday.

    Also I only have 8GB RAM. And an AMD graphics card. So yeah, renders take forever. I usually render overnight. That way my patience is somewhat reined in. Start the render, go to bed. Wake up ... and do it all over again because it looked wrong ;) - but then it'll render while I'm at work so I won't have to look at it ;)

    So yeah, a render might take a few days.

    Content creation .. well Hexagon IS lightweight, and works fine for my purpose.

    I did get this apartment on sale, and it is probably old, I think it was their VGS sale with older products. And possibly his newer things are better divided into chunks. This one is not :(



  • @trekkiegrrrl ewww, that sounds really frustrating!!



  • @BobM said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @trekkiegrrrl ewww, that sounds really frustrating!!

    Mmm yeah well. It's a question of "getting used to it".

    I do hope for a new computer, sorta "soon" - thing is .. I really HATE reinstalling stuff ... and I doubt I can just plonk my currend HD's into the new one ... so that is holding me back (Lost quite a lot of installers over the years for programs I really NEED ...)



  • @trekkiegrrrl Poser you can just plonk somewhere else. The other stuff? Maybe going too far, but you could save the whole C-drive as an image (like what you do when you make a backup), and then convert that image into a VMWare virtual machine. I think you can even directly convert your C-drive to a VMWare virtual machine. And then just run that virtual machine as a PC inside your new PC with VMWare player (all using free stuff from VMWare: P2V convertor and VMWare Player). MyBox offers similar functionality (Oracle I think), and is completely free. Just stay away from microsoft junk.

    You can drag and drop stuff between your new PC and the "old" one. That way you keep all your old stuff working with your familiar desktop, and step by step maybe migrate the important/often used programs to your new PC, or just leave them there.

    I use VM's all the time for various customer developments and it's brilliant. Go for at least 32 GB (or 64GB for Poser) and SSD for your OS and swapfile. Those are more important than having the fastest processor.

    My puty is also around 5 years old, but with 32GB and SSD. Later I built in a second SSD to run my VM's off and store the Win swapfile. Also AMD graphics, very middle of the road, the fastest you could get with passive cooling. I did put a big silent cooler on top of the processor (i7-4770K) and you don't hear a thing. And that without any of the exotic things other people do to have a silent PC.

    I also put in 2 hybrid disks, a good compromise in price/performance. These disks are 'normal' disks, so relatively cheap and big, but have a little piece of 'SSD' built in. Nowhere as fast as an SSD disk, but muchas more than a regular disk.
    That's where my Poser runtime with all my junk resides. The 'program' runtime is on SSD. Responds very snappy.

    This config serves me on a daily basis and unless something critical like the MB breaks down it'll serve me for at least another 5 years. It's still quick and zippy.

    See if you could find somebody to build one to your specs. It's not really more expensive - maybe a little - than a ready-made one, and you get to choose the best price-performance items plus you can search for the best deals on those items.

    AND you can dump in as much memory as you can afford.

    Just don't expect you can do this with a laptop, those are best pre-built, and to have a powerful desktop replacement will cost serious money (>€2500)



  • @BobM said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @trekkiegrrrl Poser you can just plonk somewhere else. The other stuff? Maybe going too far, but you could save the whole C-drive as an image (like what you do when you make a backup), and then convert that image into a VMWare virtual machine. I think you can even directly convert your C-drive to a VMWare virtual machine. And then just run that virtual machine as a PC inside your new PC with VMWare player (all using free stuff from VMWare: P2V convertor and VMWare Player). MyBox offers similar functionality (Oracle I think), and is completely free. Just stay away from microsoft junk.

    You can drag and drop stuff between your new PC and the "old" one. That way you keep all your old stuff working with your familiar desktop, and step by step maybe migrate the important/often used programs to your new PC, or just leave them there.

    I use VM's all the time for various customer developments and it's brilliant. Go for at least 32 GB (or 64GB for Poser) and SSD for your OS and swapfile. Those are more important than having the fastest processor.

    My puty is also around 5 years old, but with 32GB and SSD. Later I built in a second SSD to run my VM's off and store the Win swapfile. Also AMD graphics, very middle of the road, the fastest you could get with passive cooling. I did put a big silent cooler on top of the processor (i7-4770K) and you don't hear a thing. And that without any of the exotic things other people do to have a silent PC.

    I also put in 2 hybrid disks, a good compromise in price/performance. These disks are 'normal' disks, so relatively cheap and big, but have a little piece of 'SSD' built in. Nowhere as fast as an SSD disk, but muchas more than a regular disk.
    That's where my Poser runtime with all my junk resides. The 'program' runtime is on SSD. Responds very snappy.

    This config serves me on a daily basis and unless something critical like the MB breaks down it'll serve me for at least another 5 years. It's still quick and zippy.

    See if you could find somebody to build one to your specs. It's not really more expensive - maybe a little - than a ready-made one, and you get to choose the best price-performance items plus you can search for the best deals on those items.

    AND you can dump in as much memory as you can afford.

    Just don't expect you can do this with a laptop, those are best pre-built, and to have a powerful desktop replacement will cost serious money (>€2500)

    Ooh that sounds good. Mind a quick trip to Denmark to show me how? ;)

    I wouldn't touch a laptop with a bargepole. Those are annoying. Too small and too fragile. (even the high end ones, and they're too costly and fiddly to replace bits inside. I'm going for a proper computer. Probably midi tower. Easier to cool. :)

    I've been looking at this one. Thing is .. all those various components comes in so many flavours (brands) and I have NO idea of which is best ...
    0_1531702378561_33ce9fd3-a602-4d4e-9bc9-8f81db3086cd-image.png 0_1531702245355_153de46e-5a9d-4c3f-a4a4-a5aa72a41ca5-image.png



  • @trekkiegrrrl

    @trekkiegrrrl said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @BobM said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @trekkiegrrrl Poser you can just plonk somewhere else. The other stuff? Maybe going too far, but you could save the whole C-drive as an image (like what you do when you make a backup), and then convert that image into a VMWare virtual machine. I think you can even directly convert your C-drive to a VMWare virtual machine. And then just run that virtual machine as a PC inside your new PC with VMWare player (all using free stuff from VMWare: P2V convertor and VMWare Player). MyBox offers similar functionality (Oracle I think), and is completely free. Just stay away from microsoft junk.

    You can drag and drop stuff between your new PC and the "old" one. That way you keep all your old stuff working with your familiar desktop, and step by step maybe migrate the important/often used programs to your new PC, or just leave them there.

    I use VM's all the time for various customer developments and it's brilliant. Go for at least 32 GB (or 64GB for Poser) and SSD for your OS and swapfile. Those are more important than having the fastest processor.

    My puty is also around 5 years old, but with 32GB and SSD. Later I built in a second SSD to run my VM's off and store the Win swapfile. Also AMD graphics, very middle of the road, the fastest you could get with passive cooling. I did put a big silent cooler on top of the processor (i7-4770K) and you don't hear a thing. And that without any of the exotic things other people do to have a silent PC.

    I also put in 2 hybrid disks, a good compromise in price/performance. These disks are 'normal' disks, so relatively cheap and big, but have a little piece of 'SSD' built in. Nowhere as fast as an SSD disk, but muchas more than a regular disk.
    That's where my Poser runtime with all my junk resides. The 'program' runtime is on SSD. Responds very snappy.

    This config serves me on a daily basis and unless something critical like the MB breaks down it'll serve me for at least another 5 years. It's still quick and zippy.

    See if you could find somebody to build one to your specs. It's not really more expensive - maybe a little - than a ready-made one, and you get to choose the best price-performance items plus you can search for the best deals on those items.

    AND you can dump in as much memory as you can afford.

    Just don't expect you can do this with a laptop, those are best pre-built, and to have a powerful desktop replacement will cost serious money (>€2500)

    Ooh that sounds good. Mind a quick trip to Denmark to show me how? ;)

    I wouldn't touch a laptop with a bargepole. Those are annoying. Too small and too fragile. (even the high end ones, and they're too costly and fiddly to replace bits inside. I'm going for a proper computer. Probably midi tower. Easier to cool. :)

    I've been looking at this one. Thing is .. all those various components comes in so many flavours (brands) and I have NO idea of which is best ...
    0_1531702378561_33ce9fd3-a602-4d4e-9bc9-8f81db3086cd-image.png 0_1531702245355_153de46e-5a9d-4c3f-a4a4-a5aa72a41ca5-image.png

    The TOP picture. Forgot the cooler so just disregard the lower pic ...

    STUPIDSILLY LIMIT FOR EDITING ...



  • @trekkiegrrrl At the moment I have an intern, and he just built his puter. If you want, we could look at the best price/specs available at the moment. We're both a little bit tech nerds, so it wouldn't be a big hassle for us.

    But at a quick glance, not too bad.
    Quick questions:
    (1) AMD Rizen an option? AMD is totally back and at the moment has superior price performance. MB's for AMD tend to be cheaper too.
    (2) Why are you wasting precious space on a DVD burner. You still use those ??! As alternative, you can pick up a USB burner for around Eur30 at MediaMarket. I'm sure they're in Denmark as well.
    (3) Any chance you could go for 32 GB?
    (4) No two screens? I have a 4 screen setup for at least the last 10 years, and still I'm sometimes one screen short.
    (5) Do you game? If yes, the graphics card is important. If not, you could use onboard VGA and/or take a lower-tech (passive) VGA (that's what I did). With the money you save, you could grab an extra screen...

    If you PM me your budget range, we could look into it next week.



  • @BobM said in TIP: If your optical mouse is behaving erratically:

    @trekkiegrrrl At the moment I have an intern, and he just built his puter. If you want, we could look at the best price/specs available at the moment. We're both a little bit tech nerds, so it wouldn't be a big hassle for us.

    But at a quick glance, not too bad.
    Quick questions:
    (1) AMD Rizen an option? AMD is totally back and at the moment has superior price performance. MB's for AMD tend to be cheaper too.
    (2) Why are you wasting precious space on a DVD burner. You still use those ??! As alternative, you can pick up a USB burner for around Eur30 at MediaMarket. I'm sure they're in Denmark as well.
    (3) Any chance you could go for 32 GB?
    (4) No two screens? I have a 4 screen setup for at least the last 10 years, and still I'm sometimes one screen short.
    (5) Do you game? If yes, the graphics card is important. If not, you could use onboard VGA and/or take a lower-tech (passive) VGA (that's what I did). With the money you save, you could grab an extra screen...

    If you PM me your budget range, we could look into it next week.

    This time, I want a graphics card that can do GPU rendering. Isn't that preferable? People keep telling me.

    I don't game - at the moment. I like to have the option, should some new game take my fancy ;)

    I'd love to have 2 monitors, but there's no room at my desk. (sounds silly, but .. there you are...) Still, it MAY be an option. Doesn't this card support dual screens?

    If you have the time, here's a link to the actual site where you can mix and match the components: (even if it's i Danish, I guess it's pretty straightforward which is which. The budget is "anything below 10.000 DKK" - and the price pops up at the bottom when you select other things)

    http://www.pc-lager.dk/computer-konfig.php?Bundkort=992100679&CPU=991951932&K�ler=989867393&RAM=990157188&RAM_Antal_1=2&Harddisk=991548634&Harddisk_Antal_1=1&SSD=ingen&SSD_Antal_1=1&Grafikkort=992642091&Grafikkort_Antal_1=1&DVD=989857102&Kabinet=570853&PSU=989558617&Lydkort=1981178&Netkort=1981179&Operativsystem=ingen&Kontorpakke=ingen&Antivirus=ingen&Monitor=ingen&Monitor_Antal_1=1&Tastatur=ingen&Mus=ingen&H�jttalere=ingen&Tilbeh�r=ingen&Tilbeh�r2=ingen&Tilbeh�r3=ingen&samling=99000&gopar=0&add=1&konfig_id=22&gruppe_id=68&kunde_konf=&inCart=&antal=1
    The reason for the DVD burner .. yea I do use those occasionally, AND I use my computer to watch DVD movies on as well. Externals are in the way :) )



  • @trekkiegrrrl Ha! Jah, GPU rendering. Hadn't thought of that. Definitely a plus when using programs like Poser!



  • @trekkiegrrrl: Doesn't this card support dual screens?
    Most Motherboard AND graphic cards support at least 2 screens


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    The GTX 1060 in question has 3 monitor ports