Where did Chuck disappear to?

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    That's an appalling ordeal, I hope you're feeling better soon!

  • If you are in California I would check out Kaiser Permanente if you can get it. They have saved my life several times (I had tachycardia) and are pretty much the best care you can get in California. My mom had brain surgery and a gallbladder removal just like yours. I don't think they intubate for such a minor surgery...In fact they did not intubate me when I had my pacemaker installed. In my mom's case they kept her overnight to make sure she was ok.

  • Holy crap... what a nightmare! Hope the worst has been and gone and it's clear sailing from here... but what an ordeal you've gone through. Nothing but well wishes, and I hope you continue to get better.

  • Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

  • Geeze Chuck, sorry to hear about your ordeal. I had an excruciatingly painful episode during a losing battle with a recalcitrant kidney stone going on 7 years ago, but no debilitating effects after it was gone.

    Except for the 6 hours of pain and vomiting that first evening, I was lucky when my Internist/primary doctor sent me to an excellent Nephrologist, who connected me with the Urologist who, it turns out, performs Lithotripsy on calcium based stones that aren't too large, rather than surgery. It was done at a good hospital, I was out for 50 mins., and no pain, no fuss, no bother afterwards. Best of all, no scar. I went home about an hour and half after the procedure, and haven't had another episode since.

    It's not pleasant when something like this happens Chuck, and I hope you recover quickly and completely, and don't have any recurring issues down the road. Take care of yourself.

  • They say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I should get a super power out of this. Maybe it will be to spot reckless surgeons and break their fingers. LMAO.

    I do feel my endurance improving. The first day I couldn't stand up with out getting out of breath. I just did 4 house lengths and was only breathing a little harder. I'm doing leg lifts and stuff to try and keep my muscle tone up. Those don't make me out of breath.

    Right now the worst thing is I'm having frequent panic attacks. I go grab the Pulse/oxy meter and it reads 100% O2 saturation. No, you're not turning blue you just think you are.

  • Get better man!

    When I was in the hospital the last time I was experiencing panic attacks as well. The panic attacks would manifest as the same symptoms I would have before my heart would go into tachycardia. They prescribed me Atavan for the anxiety. After a couple of weeks at home on the Atavan I had become physically dependent on it and the withdrawal symptoms were exactly the same as the symptoms I was taking the med for. I had no Idea I was hooked until I decided to stop taking them. Then I had to keep taking them and taper off slowly till I was ok without them. In the future I will decline any anxiety med and pain meds only if I'm in serious pain.

  • @nerd3d
    OMG you have had a really rough time. Glad you sound like you're on the mend now, and welcome back!!! Hope you are taking things easy.
    Not totally convinced that it is all the surgeon's fault though.
    eg a clot in your leg in the deep veins can happen after an operation. That is well known. Happens after airtravel too and it doesn't stop people catching aeroplanes. And you have a familial tendency to clots from the sound of it too. My sister's husband had a hip operation and the surgeon put him on anticlotting treatment before the op, and then he had a big bleed around his hip that damaged a nerve to his legs. I think the surgeon can't win either way from the sound of things. I think we should all be aware that any operation can result in problems after. We have to weigh up the risks versus the potential benefits. We all want to be the person who it goes smoothly for of course. If 99 out of 100 ops go fine, for the one person who has problems, it is 100% bad.
    Your throat problems was due to an anaesthetic issue as well, not the surgeon. Maybe the airway anatomy was difficult. Perhaps the anaesthetist managed to save you even though it was a tricky procedure to intubate you and keep you ventilated whilst asleep.
    However I am wondering if your shortness of breath wasn't a clot on your lung? Did they test you for that?

    Anyway, I'm very glad you are recovering now and on the mend. At least now that you know you are someone who makes clots you can be prepared for next operations and airtravel etc.

    Love esther

  • Yesh what a terrible situation man, I'm glad you're doing ok though!

    I hope the rest of your recuperation is stress free, nerd. D:

  • Holy smokes, Chuck!

    Sending huge hugs your way. Hang in there!!!!

  • Chuck, I've already emailed you my well wishes for your recovery, but after reading your detailed experience feel it's worth commenting again.

    Pretty hard road you've had to travel as of late, full of pain, anger, disappointment, resentment and mistreatment. So sorry for you and the challenges you've had to endure. Hope that things will indeed look up for you and have continued improvements made.

    One day at a time now right?

  • Oh my! I am wishing you a speedy recovery!

  • @estherau

    Actually I got 2 clots in my lungs. On e for each lung. Oh joy. I just got back a test today. I have "Factor 5" a genetic predisposition to clotting. I didn't know they could even test for that. Knowing they can I have to wonder why the hell they didn't test me BEFORE the surgery. It's just a simple blood test FFS. Knowing ahead of time that I had a predisposition to form clots they could have and should have taken precautions.

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    Actually I got 2 clots in my lungs. On e for each lung. Oh joy. I just got back a test today. I have "Factor 5" a genetic predisposition to clotting. I didn't know they could even test for that. Knowing they can I have to wonder why the hell they didn't test me BEFORE the surgery. It's just a simple blood test FFS. Knowing ahead of time that I had a predisposition to form clots they could have and should have taken precautions.

    Anti-clotting agent before surgery is probably not a good idea but maybe a few hours after when they know you won't bleed to death from your sutures.
    Have they got you in the HP right now for observation?

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    Oh, sweety, let me add my sympathies. What a nightmare. Glad you are home and I am sending white healing light to you. Take good care of yourself. And welcome back.

  • Wow what an event. I hope all goes well now for ya. I too just had my gall bladder taken out just over a week ago. I have had the same bad episodes as others, feeling like my chest was going to explode and cant get enough air. Pain in my chest that radiates to my back. So they and I decide it was time to say good by to my GB.

    The only complication I had was the first pain medication they had me on at the hospital was giving me a headache that I will never forget. I have epilepsy and I felt as if I was on the verge of a seizure the whole time for about 10-12 hours. I would complain about the pain from the headache and they would give more pain med which in turn made the headache worst. Finally the doc figured out what was causing it and made a change and the headache melted away in seconds.

    I am sorry to hear that your surgery has had so many problems. I pray that all goes well for you from now on.

  • @ghostship well although my sister's husband had a bleed in his thigh that made his thigh so tight it compressed a nerve and permanently damaged it giving him walking difficulties, the tightness in the thigh also compressed the vessels that were bleeding and stopped the bleeding. That can't happen in the abdominal cavity. In an abdominal operation it is not just the bleeding during the operation that is the problem, in fact that isn't such a problem because they see vessels bleeding and they can diathermy them or tie them off at the time, it is actually later if the clots dissolve too early you get internal bleeding. My sister's husband had the bleeding problem in his thigh about 5 days after the operation I think.
    I'm just saying you can't prevent every complication. although it would have been good to know that Chuck had a tendency to clot, that was probably obvious from his family history. And they probably assumed that he would be up and about fairly quickly after his surgery so he would be fairly low risk of clotting compared to the risk of bleeding. Low risk doesn't mean no risk though.

    So if you had known you had a clotting tendency preop would you have:-
    a) cancelled the surgery and had acupuncture for the gall bladder pain and ongoing infection
    b) Had the surgery anyway and tried to get moving a little sooner after the op
    c) Had the surgery in a big hospital because there is something reassuring about a big hospital, and if it is expensive it has to be somehow better.
    d) wanted blood thinners around the time of the operation?

    Love esther

  • @estherau not everything that goes wrong is able to be prevented in medical things. Fortunately a clot in the lung can dissolve, not like my sister's husband's nerve damage which is permanent. And yes, Chuck could have died, and he is obviously traumatized by the whole experience. Doctors can be traumatized too (by the way defensive medicine is not a good thing eg high radiation unnecessary scans that give you cancer later):-

    "Patient complaints against physicians and the ensuing complaint review process seriously affect physicians' long-term psychological well-being and can lead to their practicing defensive medicine, results of a large qualitative survey show.

    Led by Tom Bourne, MD, PhD, from the Department of Surgery and Cancer, Imperial College London, United Kingdom, the study is an analysis of responses to qualitative questions as part of a larger anonymous survey completed by almost 8000 physicians.

    As previously reported by Medscape Medical News, the quantitative results of the survey, released in early 2015, showed that 16.9% of physicians who were the subject of complaints experienced moderate to severe depression, compared with 9.5% of their peers who did not receive complaints. Moderate or severe anxiety was reported by 15% and 7.3% of physicians, respectively.

    The current analysis revealed that physicians who are subjected to complaints often feel powerless and emotionally distressed. Almost half (45%) report negative feelings toward those managing the complaints and the complainants themselves."

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  • @nerd3d Soo horrible to hear that! I have my sis in law with the same surgery some years ago and my love still has gallstones right now (no pain luckly, he had a colic years ago tho) so I know the pain you had with the stones. Yes, back pain is related to that, they should be gone finally, at least that, poor you.
    After reading your words my love is saying he wants to keep his gallbladder as much as he can.

    We are in Italy so the hospital works differentely here, I am not sure if we even have those places where you went.
    Please be safe, take care of you and never ever do that anymore, you must call the ambulance any time something weird is happening to your body like swelling and such.

    Love the fact that you love cats, beside all the rest, so you are my hero right now :-D

    Sending hugs, you were brave!