Anybody using the 3D Mouse SpaceNavigator?



  • @nerd3d + all interested
    Well, I'm glad to say that your link to 3DConnexion and/or my feedback on their SurveyMonkey spurred some serious reactions from their side. Several mails and an updated 3DxWare64_v10-4-5_r2417 which works fine with PP11 now.

    I'm really happy with this. I'm building a business in NL on helping companies better manage their IT projects and thus achieve huge cost savings (+deadlines and quality). One of the items we check is that stakeholder PERCEPTION accounts for 50% of a project success (or failure) - independent of how good the project is intrinsically. You can extrapolate that to products and services.

    The Space navigator is a very good product so I wish them lots of business. Having a underachieving service desk - whatever the reason - drags down that perception, so I'm really glad they stepped up!



  • I bought one off Ebay to use in Daz and Blender. While it was brilliant in Blender, in daz it was unusably touchy and couldn't be slowed down enough to be useful. I finally resorted to installing progressively older drivers (ensuring I completely uninstalled all the detritus from the previous version). I believe it was 10.1 (or something?) that did the trick and it now works like a charm. It's strange that each driver performed exactly the same in Blender but they all worked differently in Daz. I've read that programmers have to build support for the device driver into the program.



  • @Bobb Hi, I'm not too sure that programmers need to add program specific code; based on this e-mail exchange with 3DConnexion:

    "....,
    I apologize for the trouble you have with our newest driver. There was an issue with applications where the driver didn’t have a default configuration; for these applications the wrong protocol was used and therefore only zoom in + out was available. We are tracking this issue with our internal bug number #7224. A fix will be available with the next driver release which is planned for this week.

    Would you please be so kind and send me the configuration file that was created with 3DxWare 10.3.0. You can find the name of the file when you hover the mouse cursor over the 3Dconnexion icon in the system tray and wait for the little yellow popup information. It shows the connected 3Dconnexion device(s) and the file name. Please go to the folder “C:\Users<user_name>\AppData\Roaming\3Dconnexion\3DxWare\Cfg” and search for the file (extension .xml). Please send that file to me. Many thanks.

    Best regards, ....
    "

    If you go to that directory you see several .xml files that apparently hold config/init-info for the 3DConnex drivers.

    What you could try to do is make a backup of DAZStudio.xml in your working situation, upgrade to the latest drivers and then put your original working .xml back in place and see what happens.

    Edit: reading the release notes that go with the driver-software it does seem like they have program-specific code built into their driver software...



  • Thanks BobM, that's interesting.
    I've copied the instructions but probably won't screw with it. I find that this older driver not only works perfectly for me but doesn't have the stack of utilities(?) running in the background that the latest one had. The new driver showed a bunch of entries in Process Explorer while the older one only shows two.
    Thanks again.



  • @Bobb So which driver version are you exactly using right now? Could you look it up?
    I'm considering downgrading as well, because the mouse is super sensitive - just like your experience.



  • Just following up here is the 10.4.5 working in Poser? I gave up on navigator or DS long ago.



  • @nerd3d Yes, the 10.4.5 works in Poser but like Bobb said, it's ultra sensitive (at least in Daz, but my experience with Poser is the same). So if downgrading could make it a little less sensitive that would be great.

    Why did you give up on the navigator?



  • Ok...the winner is 3.16.3 R1447
    That's not as far back as I'd thought but it makes a massive difference. I hope this works for you.
    Bob



  • I gave up the Navigator in DS. It's slightly more important than oxygen in Poser and Max.

    If you set the sensitivity sliders all the way down can you get it to behave in Poser?



  • @Bobb Thanks Bob! Bob



  • @nerd3d Yeah, duhhhh for not trying it out. It makes a big difference and is quite doable now. Thx!


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    I just installed the 10.4.5 driver on Urania, the workstation in my kitchen diner booth. The Space Navigator works in Poser 11 Pro and modo, but Silo 2.3.1 doesn't respond. So, does Silo simply not have coding to look for a 3D mouse? Or has anyone gotten it to work with Silo?



  • @seachnasaigh said in Anybody using the 3D Mouse SpaceNavigator?:

    I just installed the 10.4.5 driver on Urania, the workstation in my kitchen diner booth. The Space Navigator works in Poser 11 Pro and modo, but Silo 2.3.1 doesn't respond. So, does Silo simply not have coding to look for a 3D mouse? Or has anyone gotten it to work with Silo?

    Silo is not on the list of supported software, found here...

    http://www.3dconnexion.com/supported-software/software0.html


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    Thank you, WandW. I'm disappointed to not have Silo support, but at least now I know that it isn't some error on my part.



  • You might look at this software, http://spacenav.sourceforge.net/
    It's an alternative device driver for 3D mice that's under development.



  • @Bobb BTW I downgraded to your version as well, and though I don't think it makes a great difference after setting everything to minimum as Nerd3D suggested, it feels a little bit more manageable. Thanks for the tip.



  • After a decade away from Poser & TurboCAD, I finally put new CAD Tower together, got both graphics cards playing nicely, installed Win'10, spread desktop across three wide screens, loaded P11Pro...
    Oops, 'Culture Shock' time. P11Pro still looks a bit like my beloved P4 with its 'Big RAM' patch, but so many new side-bars...

    I'm here because our house-move turned up the 'Space Navigator' I'd thought long-lost. This time around, Poser supports it. Well, it recognises it. SWOOSH !! If you saw an office fly by with a robot clinging to the door-frame, that was me trying to rotate, tilt and zoom the scene...

    Default settings for Navigator as a desktop 'mouse' are beyond hyper-sensitive within Poser, and I'm still hunting how to customise it for the program. Turning the sensitivity right down works, of course, of course. I'll just need to tweak it iteratively. Luckily, I've recently found a good wired 'Logitech-clone' trackball, so I use that when working outside Poser...

    A major annoyance is you must remember to set a Poser view 'dot' as 'back-trail' before doing stuff or, um, glowing Navigator is patted by cat(s), as there doesn't seem to be a 'restore default view(s)' option...

    Early days yet; I'll report my findings and work-arounds.



  • @nik_2213 said in Anybody using the 3D Mouse SpaceNavigator?:

    A major annoyance is you must remember to set a Poser view 'dot' as 'back-trail' before doing stuff or, um, glowing Navigator is patted by cat(s), as there doesn't seem to be a 'restore default view(s)' option...

    If you have Undo enabled on the camera in question, a couple of Ctrl-Z's should get you back to where you were. Also Edit>Restore>Camera will get you to the default view...



  • The SpaceNavigator has 2 buttons that can be programmed specific for the active aplication through the properties editor.
    1 - open Poser
    2 - start the 3dConnexion properties editor
    3 - click 'buttons' button
    4 - under left button (or right button) press Ctrl+Shift+H keys to enter the Poser Speed key for 'restore camera'.



  • @nik_2213 Oehh, a track-ball! That's a good idea, and I think I have one lying around somewhere.
    SpaceNavigator works fine BTW - with all settings dialled down to minimum, but somehow I never got the hang of it. And once you're off orbit, no way to get back.
    However a couple of CTL-Z's or the CTL-SHFT-H is an interesting option I'll try out.