Freebie: A Few Books By The Cheapskate...



  • @3dcheapskate Also, regarding 'Leaning' morphs for individual books within the book row, they didn't work well when used together with a morph that makes all the books taller and wider but with the same thickness (i.e. what became the 'A4 Size' morph)



  • @3dcheapskate the deformer base prop needs it's origin on the desired axis of rotation of the book, i.e. a bottom corner (which reminds me, since the deformer props get parented to the book, you can actually drive a translation of the base to move it from one corner to the other bottom corner with a dial on the book, so you could choose which corner the rotation orbits), and aligned with the edge of the book. The deformer zone needs its falloff to be constant at 100%, so every vertex rotates through the same angle with no distortion of the book. Choose which rotation axis of the magnet is to be controlled from the book rotation parameter, so you get what you need. If the base has it's origin on either of the bottom front corners of the book, you could even have a second rotation parameter of the magnet controlled to emulate tilting the book forward while removing it from the shelf.



  • @anomalaus I'll have to read through that a few times before I try it, but it sounds good.

    Meanwhile, I've been examining real world hardbacks and I've come up with this as a basic starting point - 72 vertices, 71 faces. It's all in the spine - I'd recommend everybody to have a good look at any hardbacks close to hand and compare them to what I've got here.
    The most obvious thing missing from this basic model is that many hardbacks have curved spines - simply splitting the spine on my model into four strips would resolve that. Note: half of the hardbacks I have lying around actually have dead flat spines.
    And of course the pages would be more bendy - once again simply splitting into vertical strips would resolve that.

    Here's what it looks like (one would perhaps be a morph of the other, or it could be turned into a figure):
    0_1535358961862_hardback2.jpg

    And here's a top view of the mesh, just in case it's not obvious:
    0_1535359024696_hardback1.jpg



  • I said "...it's all in the spine..." but I meant to say "...it's all in the way things are connected together around the spine..."
    (F#$%ing ridiculous 150 second edit timeout!)



  • Especially for DarthJ and his librarian, I've done a couple of morph targets to make a more realistic (and precarious) book stack.
    But I don't have 'enough privileges' to upload the MT files (700 line OBJ files- can't even upload in TXT form) here.
    So I've uploaded the MTs over on the DAZ Freebie forum - thank goodness for the DAZ forums ! (Did I actually say that?! ;o) )
    Here's the relevant post on the DAZ forum thread.
    I can upload a picture here though:
    0_1535384617517_Render 1.jpg



  • On a different tack - I was wondering whether I could use a mask controlled by the U variable to make some books invisible.
    0_1535387454520_MakingBooksInvisible.jpg
    I can, but my poor laptop was groaning under the strain of all those transparent faces. So I wouldn't recommend or include this idea.
    And Ithink that my maths went a bit wonky - the render shows books 3 and 4 (not 2 and 3 which is what I wanted)
    There's also the fact that there's zero gap between books on the UV map, so any blurring or inaccuracy either in the texture image or in the Poser/DS processing of the texture may leadto bits of unwanted books appearing. I think I can see that on this next image(top right, just above the white 'D.D.D.Cheapskate' on the top black book...
    0_1535387782716_MakingBooksInvisible2.jpg

    So I'm now trying to think of a different way to make some books invisible.



  • Note to 3dCheapskate : since you mention them you can post my renders at DAZ3D. As far as their censorship allows of course. I can't since I'm sort of banned from their forum (which only happens to the best). Not banned from their shop though, they are not that crazy.

    Librarian (V4 Sasha) workout with books, JC Van Damme style.
    ***=NSFW content***

    click to show



  • @3dcheapskate Now THAT is a precarious stack of books alright! Nicely done sir.



  • @darthj Does that mean you can't download those MTs then ?
    Weeeelllll... let me try it this way...

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  • Hurrah ! That seemed to work ! So here's the other one...

    Evens Stack Random 1.obj
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    #  InternalName: IndividualBooksInRow3-EvenStack
    #  ExternalName: IndividualBooksInRow3-EvenStack
    #  Num verts:  328
    #  Num sets:   984
    #  Num elems:  246
    #  No Texture
    
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  • @miss-b Not as precarious as it could have been... :o)
    I'm wondering whether a 'Scatter' morph might be fun, putting the books in random little piles strewn around a flat surface - I think that it would probably only work with a 1.0 (100%) setting though, but I'm not certain.
    What's the best way to find out ? ....



  • ...obviously the best way to find out is to try it !
    The MT needs to be set to exactly 1.0 (100%) to get the bottoms of the mini-stacks lined up (and of course you need to Z rotate the prop by 90 degrees to get the mini-stacks on the floor, not on a wall).
    The two previous extra MTs, 'OddsStackRandom1' and 'EvensStackRandom1', work fine with the mini-stacks...

    0_1535445634741_ScatterTest.jpg
    The three original morphs - that's a different matter, and I'm already thinking about how to improve that...

    And here's the MT for you to play with if you so desire:

    SCATTER TEST.obj
    (should be 915 lines including the final blank one)...

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    #  InternalName: IndividualBooksInRow3(Scatter1s
    #  ExternalName: IndividualBooksInRow3(Scatter1s
    #  Num verts:  328
    #  Num sets:   984
    #  Num elems:  246
    #  No Texture
    
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  • P.S. For DS users mCasual is doing a DAZ Script to create random sets of books to fill your bookshelves - not quite there yet... https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3907666/#Comment_3907666
    I'm all for options and alternatives !



  • Hmmm... 915 lines per MT ? That didn't seem right - I only need the vertex lines, which cuts it down to 329 lines.

    And I think I see a way to improve the small stacks...



  • If anybody ever does a different texture for these then it's a piece of cake to combine two textures using a simple mask (a black and white PNG) and Blender node. I don't think it's even necessary to set the Image_Map filtering to 'None' for the mask.
    0_1535475394742_mask.jpg



  • @3dcheapskate I think I know what I need to do to prevent the 'Odds Random 1'and 'Evens Random 1' morphs from making the mini-stacks of 'SCATTER_TEST' move off or into the floor. I think a sketch says it best.
    0_1535476441631_ministacksolution.jpg
    This will also mean the those two 'Random'morphs would no longer alter the length of the row.



  • Bloody edit timeout ! (continuation of previous post)
    ...I'm also wondering about turning some of the books upside down and/or rotating +-90 or 180 degrees around a vertical axis (the 'Stack Random' morphs only rotate books maybe 20-30 degrees at most). I'dmost likely do this with morphs - which would probablyonly be ant good ifset to 1.0 (100%)



  • A suggestion:

    Instead of making these option morphs in the original full prop, why not create instances from your original "Book Row" (and keeping it lightweight without all those extra morphs for ALL books in the original row).

    Make instances of 2, 3, 4, 5 books which then can be posed individually (sized, randomize etc. as in the original Book Row)
    This would greatly reduce memory useage because you wouldn't have to load another instance of the original prop with all it's morphs for, say, just four books lying on the floor.

    Using UV texture offsets, they even could share the same base texture ( == reduces memory load again).

    Speaking of textures:

    One that stands out like a sore thumb is the "Iggy Roomdivider And The Arachnids Of Venus" because of it's psychedelic colours.
    I suggest to use more dull textures for the backs, so the repetition becomes much less obvious.

    Anyway: really great work!
    I say this as a passionate prop creator myself so I can judge your ingenuity, and all the work it needs to create all those morph options.
    Now, carry on!

    Thank you!
    Karina

    P.S.:
    It just occurred to me:
    Could that be a solution for the "leaning book" as discussed above?

    • create a single book, as an individual prop.
    • Split the original "books in a row" into two separate instances.
    • offset the second instance +X-wise from the first instance.
    • Place the single book prop in the gap between the two instances (--> smart prop?)
      Because that single book is a separate prop (while still sharing the same texture map by using offsets), you can scale, rotate and translate it as needed, without a single additional morph!

    As said at ShareCG: IDIC!

    K



  • I've also made a couple of mods to my basic starter model of a generic hardback - making the covers/spine slightly taller than pages, splitting the pages to allow them to be bent, splitting the spine to allow it to be curved too, and adding a raised bit for that two-tone stitching you often see where the pages touch the spine.
    0_1535478411701_HardbackTopOfSpine.jpg
    I also think it should have a dust-jacket.



  • @karina Point taken about all the morphs. I'm really just playing with ideas at the the moment to see what works and what doesn't. For the final thing (if I ever get there!) I'll probably include one prop with all the morphs, plus props with specific subsets of the morphs (e.g. a bookrow prop with only bookrow-related morphs, a bookstack prop with only bookstack-related morphs, and a prop with several mini-stacks and morphs for moving them around), plus pre-morphed props without any actual morphs. I think that should keep most people happy.

    The repeating textures won't be a problem as I'm gradually adding new titles ( I keep adding to the list here https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3848091/#Comment_3848091 ) and some of those will replace all the duplicates.

    I've been wondering about how to change the number of books in the row - I toyed with the idea of using transparency, but realized that's not a good idea. I think I overlooked the obvious - make a few extra props and delete the unnecessary books (hopefully I'll be able to do the same for the MTs).

    And the leaning book(s)may possibly be best left to the user - like you said.

    I've already done a single book prop with a few different distortion-free UV mappings and the best use of the available space on a square UV (but you've just reminded me that I should have one with the same UV-mapping as the bookrow books). They're currently based on a 17.5cm x 10.5cm paperback, but with 1cm, 2cm, and 3cm thicknesses, and the covers map to slightly different areas on each - not sure whether that's a good idea (a couple of example textures for the 1cm one attached). I also hope to including mappings to use other peoples' book textures.
    0_1535479780172_AGraphicNovel.jpg 0_1535479793552_TheRenaissanceOverlord.jpg
    I also need to remap slightly anyway - 40 books at 50 pixels width plus one at 48pixels gives a two pixel error when you use a U_Offset and wrap the texture. 64 books at 32 pixels width (which is what I'm using on the six rows prop), or more likely 32 books at 64 pixels width, is probably what I'll end up using.